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Post by aufan on Aug 23, 2023 1:03:33 GMT
The list of voters has been expanded over the years. Not to the betterment of our country, IMHO. The expansion of voting has been to allow minorities, women, and non-land owners (poor people) to vote You effectively said that the country was better when minorities, women and/or poor people were not allowed to vote. Who else here agrees with this?
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Post by Bevo on Aug 23, 2023 1:29:53 GMT
The fatal flaw of “Democracies” is similar to the flaw of communist systems. That is; when lazy or incompetent people discover they can take money from productive people, they do it. Until the productive people can’t keep up anymore.
The original idea of America was to allow only informed people to elect Representatives to vote on all our behalf. Given the expanded power of women and minorities, it makes perfectly logical sense to extend this privilege to them. It makes NO SENSE for illiterate, uninformed, dependent people to be voting.
For now… I’d just be happy to know that only LIVE, real people are voting. Not people in a nursing home unable to say their own names. ACTUALLY voting. Not just having ballots with their names on them sent in.
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Post by tigercpa on Aug 28, 2023 20:35:49 GMT
Presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy calls for making Election Day a national holiday and implementing single-day voting, paper ballots, and government-issued voter ID.
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Post by aufan on Aug 31, 2023 1:54:49 GMT
What about a test required to be elected?
We are worried about 18-25 year olds voting when many of our leaders are the walking dead. They probably couldn’t even hold the pencil required to take the test, or stay awake long enough to take it.
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Post by Bevo on Aug 31, 2023 2:02:04 GMT
What about a test required to be elected? We are worried about 18-25 year olds voting when many of our leaders are the walking dead. They probably couldn’t even hold the pencil required to take the test, or stay awake long enough to take it. I'd be fine with both. But, let's get real. Democrats won't even allow a requirement for people to have a photo ID, or ANY kind of ID, or even to show up. Or even to have to SIGN their mail-in ballot envelope and have the signature reviewed. There is NO CHANCE they'd allow even the simplest test. Maybe, we can all coalesce around a new amendment setting an UPPER age limit for candidates for all federal offices. 65 seems like a good cutoff to me.
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Post by aufan on Aug 31, 2023 2:43:46 GMT
The fatal flaw of “Democracies” is similar to the flaw of communist systems. That is; when lazy or incompetent people discover they can take money from productive people, they do it. Until the productive people can’t keep up anymore. The original idea of America was to allow only informed people to elect Representatives to vote on all our behalf. Given the expanded power of women and minorities, it makes perfectly logical sense to extend this privilege to them. It makes NO SENSE for illiterate, uninformed, dependent people to be voting. For now… I’d just be happy to know that only LIVE, real people are voting. Not people in a nursing home unable to say their own names. ACTUALLY voting. Not just having ballots with their names on them sent in. This is a fatal flaw of capitalism. When human life is only valued for its productivity, all else is deprioritized and compromised. And what happens when society advances and there are fewer productive roles than there are people? Unproductive people shouldn’t have any say in society? There needs to be a voice of reason that says human life has more value than just the productivity it provides.
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Post by Bevo on Aug 31, 2023 15:24:12 GMT
The fatal flaw of “Democracies” is similar to the flaw of communist systems. That is; when lazy or incompetent people discover they can take money from productive people, they do it. Until the productive people can’t keep up anymore. The original idea of America was to allow only informed people to elect Representatives to vote on all our behalf. Given the expanded power of women and minorities, it makes perfectly logical sense to extend this privilege to them. It makes NO SENSE for illiterate, uninformed, dependent people to be voting. For now… I’d just be happy to know that only LIVE, real people are voting. Not people in a nursing home unable to say their own names. ACTUALLY voting. Not just having ballots with their names on them sent in. This is a fatal flaw of capitalism. When human life is only valued for its productivity, all else is deprioritized and compromised. And what happens when society advances and there are fewer productive roles than there are people? Unproductive people shouldn’t have any say in society? There needs to be a voice of reason that says human life has more value than just the productivity it provides. Capitalism is an economic engine, not a form of government. And, it's the most productive system I've seen yet. Valuation of human life and compassion for those in need comes from our collective governmental system. A Representative Republic, which was our original design, provided exactly that. It was assumed that the productive people would elect leaders who were decent enough to have compassion for those in need. And would balance the needs of the economy with the needs of the people. It worked amazingly well for quite a long time. But, something went off the rails. We developed a political incentive that drives leaders to ignore economic reality. Our leaders learned they could stay in power by giving money we don't have to people to vote for them. Not JUST Democrats, by the way. Republicans did it too. They just spent the money on different causes. At the very least, people who are receiving direct payments from the government in excess of what they send, or have sent in, (Excluding SS, which is managing of money already taken) should not be allowed to vote for leaders who promise them more payments. That is a recipe for disaster. And disaster is where we are headed... full speed.
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Post by aufan on Sept 1, 2023 2:34:25 GMT
Valuation of human life and compassion for those in need comes from our collective governmental system. A Representative Republic, which was our original design, provided exactly that. Our government as founded allowed human life to be property. This is compassion for human life? What an absurd statement.
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Post by Bevo on Sept 1, 2023 2:56:54 GMT
Valuation of human life and compassion for those in need comes from our collective governmental system. A Representative Republic, which was our original design, provided exactly that. Our government as founded allowed human life to be property. This is compassion for human life? What an absurd statement. That was a global standard at the time. Virtually everywhere on earth. Learn history. Stop projecting today’s values on the past. You’re better than that.
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Post by aufan on Sept 1, 2023 4:21:00 GMT
Our government as founded allowed human life to be property. This is compassion for human life? What an absurd statement. That was a global standard at the time. Virtually everywhere on earth. Learn history. Stop projecting today’s values on the past. You’re better than that.
Valuing human life was not a global standard, I agree. Thus stating that our government a founded provided value for human life is absurd.
But then again you would argue that slavery was moral at the time because laws are morality, and it was legal at the time.
You're so far off the deep end and have been misguided for so long, I don't think we will ever find common ground. Enjoy football season.
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Post by Bevo on Sept 1, 2023 14:33:39 GMT
That was a global standard at the time. Virtually everywhere on earth. Learn history. Stop projecting today’s values on the past. You’re better than that.
Valuing human life was not a global standard, I agree. Thus stating that our government a founded provided value for human life is absurd.
But then again you would argue that slavery was moral at the time because laws are morality, and it was legal at the time.
You're so far off the deep end and have been misguided for so long, I don't think we will ever find common ground. Enjoy football season.
Well... you're catching on. The laws in the 1700's reflected the morality at that time. Morality changes though, over time. As do, our laws. We see things differently today. You're so invested in the woke narrative that America was immoral from its inception, I see little hope for you. You can't recognize greatness for what it is.
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Post by aufan on Sept 1, 2023 21:09:45 GMT
If believing slavery was immoral makes me woke, then I’m woke.
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Post by bluehen on Sept 1, 2023 22:48:16 GMT
Give me the exact definition of 'woke' , Bevo..Can't find it in my Webster
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Post by Bevo on Sept 1, 2023 22:57:51 GMT
Give me the exact definition of 'woke' , Bevo..Can't find it in my Webster people who have been taught to hate America because our founding was immoral. And, people who don't know the difference between male and female athletes.
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Post by bluehen on Sept 2, 2023 2:17:54 GMT
bullcrap
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