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Post by EvilVodka on Aug 23, 2023 18:06:48 GMT
I still think we'll see FSU and Clemson headed to the Big 10. I just haven't seen alot to disprove this. The SEC could always step in and make a play, but the Big 10 might actually be the better deal. I think if FSU and Clemson (or perhaps Miami) weren't in play for the Big 10, we'd already see them invite Stanford. It wouldn't surprise me if this all happens next summer with FSU and Clemson headed out of the ACC to somewhere new for 2025.
I've also read interesting stuff on the state connection between North Carolina and NC State, pretty much stating that UNC will not go anywhere without NC State. This makes me think, if FSU and Clemson, head to the Big 10, the SEC will make a move to invite North Carolina + NC State, and probably Virginia Tech and someone else. Miami? Louisville? Idk
Stanford, Cal, and strangely, SMU have been mentioned as possible ACC expansion candidates, specifically at the behest of Notre Dame. If Stanford doesn't end up in the Big 10, I think they do end up in the ACC after some teams leave. And I think this is purely academic...obviously, because the geography blows. The ACC could end up, should they lose some teams, inviting Stanford, Cal, SMU, Rice, Tulane, and South Florida to shore up an academic conference. All of those schools are AAU.
The Stanford-SMU connection has been a bizarre pairing as well. SMU has somehow floated to the top of remaining Texas schools, and I could see them actually becoming more valuable than TCU or Baylor.
What happens with Miami FL? I don't know...
And....would Clemson really follow FSU to the Big 10 if they had an SEC invite in hand?
I could see Clemson breaking with FSU and following UNC, NC State, and Virginia Tech to the SEC. If that were to occur, maybe the Big 10 switches a Clemson invite with Miami FL (now AAU)
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So, to sum up, I don't see the ACC surviving till 2036 (GOR length). I think its inevitable that 6-7 teams bolt to the SEC and Big 10.
I don't see the ACC dying though...Pitt, Syracuse, Duke, and the leftovers can add plenty of teams. If Stanford is part of that mix, the conference could lean towards highly academic schools.
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Post by tigercpa on Aug 23, 2023 18:23:29 GMT
For the ACC teams, any team leaving will need a hefty round of financing. Might be tough in this environment.
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Post by EvilVodka on Aug 23, 2023 18:48:42 GMT
For the ACC teams, any team leaving will need a hefty round of financing. Might be tough in this environment. Yes, the GOR
Here's what I think though...I think if enough teams start leaving, TV rights and exit fees might get negotiated so that the remaining ACC teams will be able to survive.
I believe FSU can pull it off with financing.
If Clemson leaves too, especially to the Big 10, other schools will start rumbling. In addition, I don't see the SEC sitting still while the Big 10 starts to move ahead of them with money and brands.
Basically the dam will break with VT, UNC, NC State, UVA, and Miami FL feeling the pressure to get out.
I believe at the point instead of having massive lawsuits with multiple schools, all parties will start to mediate and come to terms with whats happening. The remaining schools will have to negotiate or risk the conference completely collapsing.
I really think this is more likely than everyone being forced to stay in the ACC till 2036. The football-first schools are going to risk throwing what they have against the wall instead of a slow death in athletics.
At some point the leftovers, probably Pitt, Syracuse, Boston College, Duke, Wake Forest and Louisville will have to accept the inevitable and try and form a plan to salvage the ACC (it is possible).
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Post by Bevo on Aug 23, 2023 18:52:16 GMT
I just cannot get interested in all this realignment talk. I hate it all. It just reminds me of how totally inept and incompetent the NCAA is. They just sit back and ALLOW this great game to be ripped apart. I don't know how they live with themselves.
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Post by EvilVodka on Aug 23, 2023 18:56:01 GMT
I just cannot get interested in all this realignment talk. I hate it all. It just reminds me of how totally inept and incompetent the NCAA is. They just sit back and ALLOW this great game to be ripped apart. I don't know how they live with themselves. well, its not really the NCAA's fault
It's your school's fault Bevo. Yall just had to go and join the SEC 
The race for money and TV contracts put the SEC and Big 10 so far ahead of everyone else.
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Post by Bevo on Aug 23, 2023 19:00:11 GMT
I just cannot get interested in all this realignment talk. I hate it all. It just reminds me of how totally inept and incompetent the NCAA is. They just sit back and ALLOW this great game to be ripped apart. I don't know how they live with themselves. well, its not really the NCAA's fault
It's your school's fault Bevo. Yall just had to go and join the SEC
The race for money and TV contracts put the SEC and Big 10 so far ahead of everyone else.
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Post by EvilVodka on Aug 23, 2023 19:02:28 GMT
well, its not really the NCAA's fault
It's your school's fault Bevo. Yall just had to go and join the SEC
The race for money and TV contracts put the SEC and Big 10 so far ahead of everyone else.
Nah... it was Arkansas that started all this crap. well, if you go back far enough, it was Georgia and Oklahoma and the whole TV rights deal thing in the early 80s.
So its safe to say, you can blame Oklahoma lol
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Post by EvilVodka on Aug 23, 2023 22:49:54 GMT
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Post by tigercpa on Aug 24, 2023 13:44:58 GMT
Notre Dame should probably shut its yapper until they actually join the ACC in football.
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Post by GatorGrad on Aug 24, 2023 14:44:19 GMT
Southern Cal (and you say perhaps FSU) in the Big Ten?
Stanford in the ACC?
WVU in the same conference as Utah and UCF?
This is all completely ridiculous. Why are we letting TV networks ruin college football? Someone needs to step up and bring some sanity to all of this.
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Post by GatorGrad on Aug 24, 2023 14:48:22 GMT
I still think we'll see FSU and Clemson headed to the Big 10. I just haven't seen alot to disprove this. The SEC could always step in and make a play, but the Big 10 might actually be the better deal. I think if FSU and Clemson (or perhaps Miami) weren't in play for the Big 10, we'd already see them invite Stanford. It wouldn't surprise me if this all happens next summer with FSU and Clemson headed out of the ACC to somewhere new for 2025.
I've also read interesting stuff on the state connection between North Carolina and NC State, pretty much stating that UNC will not go anywhere without NC State. This makes me think, if FSU and Clemson, head to the Big 10, the SEC will make a move to invite North Carolina + NC State, and probably Virginia Tech and someone else. Miami? Louisville? Idk
Stanford, Cal, and strangely, SMU have been mentioned as possible ACC expansion candidates, specifically at the behest of Notre Dame. If Stanford doesn't end up in the Big 10, I think they do end up in the ACC after some teams leave. And I think this is purely academic...obviously, because the geography blows. The ACC could end up, should they lose some teams, inviting Stanford, Cal, SMU, Rice, Tulane, and South Florida to shore up an academic conference. All of those schools are AAU.
The Stanford-SMU connection has been a bizarre pairing as well. SMU has somehow floated to the top of remaining Texas schools, and I could see them actually becoming more valuable than TCU or Baylor.
What happens with Miami FL? I don't know...
And....would Clemson really follow FSU to the Big 10 if they had an SEC invite in hand?
I could see Clemson breaking with FSU and following UNC, NC State, and Virginia Tech to the SEC. If that were to occur, maybe the Big 10 switches a Clemson invite with Miami FL (now AAU)
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So, to sum up, I don't see the ACC surviving till 2036 (GOR length). I think its inevitable that 6-7 teams bolt to the SEC and Big 10.
I don't see the ACC dying though...Pitt, Syracuse, Duke, and the leftovers can add plenty of teams. If Stanford is part of that mix, the conference could lean towards highly academic schools.
Is it true that only 8 schools from the ACC would need to withdraw in order to not have to pay exit fees or penalties? If that's true, why wouldn't the following schools all just leave at once to either form their own smaller league (and more regional league) with fewer mouths to feed...or to join the SEC/Big Ten? Miami FSU GaTech Clemson UNC NC State UVA VaTech SEC and Big Ten each take one VA school and one NC school and one FL school. One takes GaTech and the other Clemson. Done. |
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Post by EvilVodka on Aug 24, 2023 16:11:16 GMT
I still think we'll see FSU and Clemson headed to the Big 10. I just haven't seen alot to disprove this. The SEC could always step in and make a play, but the Big 10 might actually be the better deal. I think if FSU and Clemson (or perhaps Miami) weren't in play for the Big 10, we'd already see them invite Stanford. It wouldn't surprise me if this all happens next summer with FSU and Clemson headed out of the ACC to somewhere new for 2025.
I've also read interesting stuff on the state connection between North Carolina and NC State, pretty much stating that UNC will not go anywhere without NC State. This makes me think, if FSU and Clemson, head to the Big 10, the SEC will make a move to invite North Carolina + NC State, and probably Virginia Tech and someone else. Miami? Louisville? Idk
Stanford, Cal, and strangely, SMU have been mentioned as possible ACC expansion candidates, specifically at the behest of Notre Dame. If Stanford doesn't end up in the Big 10, I think they do end up in the ACC after some teams leave. And I think this is purely academic...obviously, because the geography blows. The ACC could end up, should they lose some teams, inviting Stanford, Cal, SMU, Rice, Tulane, and South Florida to shore up an academic conference. All of those schools are AAU.
The Stanford-SMU connection has been a bizarre pairing as well. SMU has somehow floated to the top of remaining Texas schools, and I could see them actually becoming more valuable than TCU or Baylor.
What happens with Miami FL? I don't know...
And....would Clemson really follow FSU to the Big 10 if they had an SEC invite in hand?
I could see Clemson breaking with FSU and following UNC, NC State, and Virginia Tech to the SEC. If that were to occur, maybe the Big 10 switches a Clemson invite with Miami FL (now AAU)
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So, to sum up, I don't see the ACC surviving till 2036 (GOR length). I think its inevitable that 6-7 teams bolt to the SEC and Big 10.
I don't see the ACC dying though...Pitt, Syracuse, Duke, and the leftovers can add plenty of teams. If Stanford is part of that mix, the conference could lean towards highly academic schools.
Is it true that only 8 schools from the ACC would need to withdraw in order to not have to pay exit fees or penalties? If that's true, why wouldn't the following schools all just leave at once to either form their own smaller league (and more regional league) with fewer mouths to feed...or to join the SEC/Big Ten? Miami FSU GaTech Clemson UNC NC State UVA VaTech SEC and Big Ten each take one VA school and one NC school and one FL school. One takes GaTech and the other Clemson. Done. I agree, the new league idea sounds logical
I think the major problem with the ACC is that all the schools aren't on the same page. It's reminiscent of the football/basketball split in the Big East.
The North Carolina schools are extremely hard to read, and I halfway think UNC would be just fine staying in the ACC. The Stanford/SMU/Cal additions sound insane geographically, but institutionally and academically, they fit together. SMU is willing to join for nothing anyways; they have wealthy donors.
Meanwhile the football first schools are sick of the way the conference has been run. I would say adding Notre Dame would help, but from what I understand, the contract with ESPN can't be negotiated till 2036. It's an asinine deal.
It's rather insane....and bottomline, is if the ACC wants to keep their football money-makers in Clemson and FSU, they need to be paying them more. It's all sort of too little too late.
The winners in conference realignment have been the conferences that have simply been managed better.
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Post by GatorGrad on Aug 24, 2023 18:20:03 GMT
Is it true that only 8 schools from the ACC would need to withdraw in order to not have to pay exit fees or penalties? If that's true, why wouldn't the following schools all just leave at once to either form their own smaller league (and more regional league) with fewer mouths to feed...or to join the SEC/Big Ten? Miami FSU GaTech Clemson UNC NC State UVA VaTech SEC and Big Ten each take one VA school and one NC school and one FL school. One takes GaTech and the other Clemson. Done. I agree, the new league idea sounds logical
I think the major problem with the ACC is that all the schools aren't on the same page. It's reminiscent of the football/basketball split in the Big East.
The North Carolina schools are extremely hard to read, and I halfway think UNC would be just fine staying in the ACC. The Stanford/SMU/Cal additions sound insane geographically, but institutionally and academically, they fit together. SMU is willing to join for nothing anyways; they have wealthy donors.
Meanwhile the football first schools are sick of the way the conference has been run. I would say adding Notre Dame would help, but from what I understand, the contract with ESPN can't be negotiated till 2036. It's an asinine deal.
It's rather insane....and bottomline, is if the ACC wants to keep their football money-makers in Clemson and FSU, they need to be paying them more. It's all sort of too little too late.
The winners in conference realignment have been the conferences that have simply been managed better.
Honestly if those 8 schools broke away along with let's say Pitt and added WVU, that's a pretty solid 10-team league that makes geographical sense. And gets rid of Lville, Syracuse, BC, Duke, and Wake which I don't think move the needle in football. They could probably get a TV deal the same as the current ACC deal, but only have to split the pie 10 ways instead of 14 = instant raise. |
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Post by aufan on Aug 27, 2023 19:17:46 GMT
I just cannot get interested in all this realignment talk. I hate it all. It just reminds me of how totally inept and incompetent the NCAA is. They just sit back and ALLOW this great game to be ripped apart. I don't know how they live with themselves. The NCAA actually fought this, and lost to the Supreme Court. It is hilarious how misguided your hatred is. I’m sure once you realize that realignment is driven by corporate profits, you’ll start to love it. |
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Post by Bevo on Aug 27, 2023 21:30:14 GMT
I just cannot get interested in all this realignment talk. I hate it all. It just reminds me of how totally inept and incompetent the NCAA is. They just sit back and ALLOW this great game to be ripped apart. I don't know how they live with themselves. The NCAA actually fought this, and lost to the Supreme Court. It is hilarious how misguided your hatred is. I’m sure once you realize that realignment is driven by corporate profits, you’ll start to love it. The NCAA still had many levers they could have used. They could have actually made regulations to balance schedules, limit conference sizes, eliminate inter-division competition, etc. They could have proposed their own playoff format long ago. They didn’t have to allow this wide open transfer portal. The SCOTUS ruling was entirely predictable. The NCAA did NOTHING to be prepared for it. They should have taken a clue from the schools that ignore rulings against affirmative action and bussing. |
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