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Post by Bevo on Oct 5, 2023 1:48:09 GMT
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Post by bluehen on Oct 5, 2023 2:57:32 GMT
I thought there was a great wall already built and paid for by Mexico. trumpy wouldn't lie about something like that , would he ?
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Post by doc on Oct 5, 2023 12:28:33 GMT
Duirng our cross country ride we were very close to the wall on numerous occasions - through the southern California desert, in El Paso, Langtry, Ft. Hancock and Del Rio, Texas. Wall is very visible as are the Border Patrol patrolmen.
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Post by tigercpa on Oct 5, 2023 13:36:39 GMT
$113B for Ukraine, but couldn't find $5B for the wall??
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Post by Bevo on Oct 5, 2023 21:41:31 GMT
Joe promised us, “Not one more foot of wall will be built in my Administration”.
Would he lie to us ?
Or, does he even know about it?
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Post by tigercpa on Oct 6, 2023 11:00:03 GMT
Joe promised us, “Not one more foot of wall will be built in my Administration”. Would he lie to us ? Or, does he even know about it? Only being done because his polling is shitty on this topic. |
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Post by aufan on Oct 6, 2023 16:33:27 GMT
$113B for Ukraine, but couldn't find $5B for the wall?? Our lord and savior Ronald Reagan called Russia the evil empire. Do you agree with loaning money to fight the evil empire? |
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Post by Bevo on Oct 6, 2023 23:43:40 GMT
$113B for Ukraine, but couldn't find $5B for the wall?? Our lord and savior Ronald Reagan called Russia the evil empire. Do you agree with loaning money to fight the evil empire? No one is “loaning” money. It’s being gifted.., and probably re-gifted back to political grifters here. But, I see you never fail to miss an opportunity to be offensive and disgusting. Congrats on that |
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Post by aufan on Oct 7, 2023 10:39:19 GMT
The conservative lord and savior ballooned the defense budget to fight the evil empire.
Aren’t we just taking a page out of the Reagan Doctrine by aiding Ukraine?
This is why the hate for Ukraine aid by conservatives is surprising to me.
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Post by Kentflash_05 on Oct 7, 2023 11:33:46 GMT
The conservative lord and savior ballooned the defense budget to fight the evil empire. Aren’t we just taking a page out of the Reagan Doctrine by aiding Ukraine? This is why the hate for Ukraine aid by conservatives is surprising to me. The more and more I read about Ukraine and Russia the more and more I question the government narrative. Ukraine was looking to joint NATO before Russia invaded that’s documented…… Not justifying Putin at all here, but how would we feel if the Warsaw Pact added Canada during the Cold War? Didn’t the Cuban missile crisis kinda show what our response would be if a hostile alliance tried to add a country in the Western Hemisphere by our borders? NATO and Russia have been enemies since World War 2, if Ukraine does become NATO from Russia’s perspective I kind of get it…… I do wonder partially if a lot of the reason Russia seemed unprepared for war was that the original intent wasn’t to go to war. Not justifying an actual invasion by any means I just have trouble accepting a mega world military power was that unprepared for an invasion that we were told they have planned months in advance….. I also wonder whether a guarentee Ukraine wouldn’t join NATO would have avoided the war. In 1990 when Sadam Hussein invaded Kuwait there is a pretty good evidence he got a blessing from some American officials before he invaded Kuwait that America would not interfere if he invaded Kuwait. Kuwait was also stealing Iraqi oil by slant drilling Our government’s narrative isn’t always the most truthful or honest narrative and so a healthy skepticism of it is always a good thing…… our government has definitely done some shady shit. I say this is a person whom has served in the armed forces. You might have the governments version, the Russian version and the truth somewhere in the middle |
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Post by aufan on Oct 7, 2023 13:18:56 GMT
The conservative lord and savior ballooned the defense budget to fight the evil empire. Aren’t we just taking a page out of the Reagan Doctrine by aiding Ukraine? This is why the hate for Ukraine aid by conservatives is surprising to me. The more and more I read about Ukraine and Russia the more and more I question the government narrative. Ukraine was looking to joint NATO before Russia invaded that’s documented…… Not justifying Putin at all here, but how would we feel if the Warsaw Pact added Canada during the Cold War? Didn’t the Cuban missile crisis kinda show what our response would be if a hostile alliance tried to add a country in the Western Hemisphere by our borders? NATO and Russia have been enemies since World War 2, if Ukraine does become NATO from Russia’s perspective I kind of get it…… I do wonder partially if a lot of the reason Russia seemed unprepared for war was that the original intent wasn’t to go to war. Not justifying an actual invasion by any means I just have trouble accepting a mega world military power was that unprepared for an invasion that we were told they have planned months in advance….. I also wonder whether a guarentee Ukraine wouldn’t join NATO would have avoided the war. In 1990 when Sadam Hussein invaded Kuwait there is a pretty good evidence he got a blessing from some American officials before he invaded Kuwait that America would not interfere if he invaded Kuwait. Kuwait was also stealing Iraqi oil by slant drilling Our government’s narrative isn’t always the most truthful or honest narrative and so a healthy skepticism of it is always a good thing…… our government has definitely done some shady shit. I say this is a person whom has served in the armed forces. You might have the governments version, the Russian version and the truth somewhere in the middle My comment was not in the merits of supporting Ukraine, but the complete 180 conservatives have done on Russia. The conservative lord and savior: "We must stand by all our democratic allies. And we must not break faith with those who are risking their lives—on every continent, from Afghanistan to Nicaragua—to defy Soviet-supported aggression and secure rights which have been ours from birth." Either one of two things have happened: Russia has done a 180 and is not the evil empire anymore. Conservatives have done a 180 on how they feel about Russia. I think it is the latter, and mostly because the highest level of critical thinking a modern conservative can do is to simply be a contrarian to those who beat them in elections. |
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Post by Kentflash_05 on Oct 7, 2023 13:41:07 GMT
The more and more I read about Ukraine and Russia the more and more I question the government narrative. Ukraine was looking to joint NATO before Russia invaded that’s documented…… Not justifying Putin at all here, but how would we feel if the Warsaw Pact added Canada during the Cold War? Didn’t the Cuban missile crisis kinda show what our response would be if a hostile alliance tried to add a country in the Western Hemisphere by our borders? NATO and Russia have been enemies since World War 2, if Ukraine does become NATO from Russia’s perspective I kind of get it…… I do wonder partially if a lot of the reason Russia seemed unprepared for war was that the original intent wasn’t to go to war. Not justifying an actual invasion by any means I just have trouble accepting a mega world military power was that unprepared for an invasion that we were told they have planned months in advance….. I also wonder whether a guarentee Ukraine wouldn’t join NATO would have avoided the war. In 1990 when Sadam Hussein invaded Kuwait there is a pretty good evidence he got a blessing from some American officials before he invaded Kuwait that America would not interfere if he invaded Kuwait. Kuwait was also stealing Iraqi oil by slant drilling Our government’s narrative isn’t always the most truthful or honest narrative and so a healthy skepticism of it is always a good thing…… our government has definitely done some shady shit. I say this is a person whom has served in the armed forces. You might have the governments version, the Russian version and the truth somewhere in the middle My comment was not in the merits of supporting Ukraine, but the complete 180 conservatives have done on Russia. The conservative lord and savior: "We must stand by all our democratic allies. And we must not break faith with those who are risking their lives—on every continent, from Afghanistan to Nicaragua—to defy Soviet-supported aggression and secure rights which have been ours from birth." Either one of two things have happened: Russia has done a 180 and is not the evil empire anymore. Conservatives have done a 180 on how they feel about Russia. I think it is the latter, and mostly because the highest level of critical thinking a modern conservative can do is to simply be a contrarian to those who beat them in elections. By flip flopping is not unique to Republicans Aufan The Democrats in the South in the 60’s and 70’s are completelypushing a different agenda today than the Democrats today. A quick history lesson tells us most of the discriminatory practices still in place today were first laid in place by the Democrats…..: Jim Crow in the south was almost completely the Dems fault, now they’re the party of “progressivism” . Their is going to be hypocrisy in Conservatives or Dems point of view, because things they say and do are constantly changing to attract voters. It’s the very nature of Politics |
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Post by Bevo on Oct 7, 2023 16:11:37 GMT
My comment was not in the merits of supporting Ukraine, but the complete 180 conservatives have done on Russia. The conservative lord and savior: "We must stand by all our democratic allies. And we must not break faith with those who are risking their lives—on every continent, from Afghanistan to Nicaragua—to defy Soviet-supported aggression and secure rights which have been ours from birth." Either one of two things have happened: Russia has done a 180 and is not the evil empire anymore. Conservatives have done a 180 on how they feel about Russia. I think it is the latter, and mostly because the highest level of critical thinking a modern conservative can do is to simply be a contrarian to those who beat them in elections. By flip flopping is not unique to Republicans Aufan The Democrats in the South in the 60’s and 70’s are completelypushing a different agenda today than the Democrats today. A quick history lesson tells us most of the discriminatory practices still in place today were first laid in place by the Democrats…..: Jim Crow in the south was almost completely the Dems fault, now they’re the party of “progressivism” . Their is going to be hypocrisy in Conservatives or Dems point of view, because things they say and do are constantly changing to attract voters. It’s the very nature of Politics There's no point in trying to converse with him. If he REALLY wanted to know why some Republicans are balking at aid to Ukraine, and had the ability to ask with being a jerk, he could. But, he doesn't really want to know.. and, he can't help but come swooping in like an ass. |
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Post by aufan on Oct 7, 2023 16:57:00 GMT
My comment was not in the merits of supporting Ukraine, but the complete 180 conservatives have done on Russia. The conservative lord and savior: "We must stand by all our democratic allies. And we must not break faith with those who are risking their lives—on every continent, from Afghanistan to Nicaragua—to defy Soviet-supported aggression and secure rights which have been ours from birth." Either one of two things have happened: Russia has done a 180 and is not the evil empire anymore. Conservatives have done a 180 on how they feel about Russia. I think it is the latter, and mostly because the highest level of critical thinking a modern conservative can do is to simply be a contrarian to those who beat them in elections. By flip flopping is not unique to Republicans Aufan The Democrats in the South in the 60’s and 70’s are completelypushing a different agenda today than the Democrats today. A quick history lesson tells us most of the discriminatory practices still in place today were first laid in place by the Democrats…..: Jim Crow in the south was almost completely the Dems fault, now they’re the party of “progressivism” . Their is going to be hypocrisy in Conservatives or Dems point of view, because things they say and do are constantly changing to attract voters. It’s the very nature of Politics I don’t think it is a real flip flop though. Reagan is the conservative lord and savior and conservatives still believe he was a good president with good policies. I think if Trump were president and he supported Ukraine, no Republican would have a problem with it. |
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Post by aufan on Oct 7, 2023 17:03:44 GMT
By flip flopping is not unique to Republicans Aufan The Democrats in the South in the 60’s and 70’s are completelypushing a different agenda today than the Democrats today. A quick history lesson tells us most of the discriminatory practices still in place today were first laid in place by the Democrats…..: Jim Crow in the south was almost completely the Dems fault, now they’re the party of “progressivism” . Their is going to be hypocrisy in Conservatives or Dems point of view, because things they say and do are constantly changing to attract voters. It’s the very nature of Politics There's no point in trying to converse with him. If he REALLY wanted to know why some Republicans are balking at aid to Ukraine, and had the ability to ask with being a jerk, he could. But, he doesn't really want to know.. and, he can't help but come swooping in like an ass. I didn’t attack anyone nor say anything mean, and here you are saying I’m a jerk and an ass. Are you even capable of responding to me without making a personal attack? |
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