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Post by bluehen on Jan 14, 2024 15:15:25 GMT
I researched every season and every CAF game that Nick ever coached. Turns out that among his career 292 wins 63 of those wins were vs rent-a-win type scheduled games ( FCS and 'G5'). 21% of Saban's career wins came against non P5 teams....,or more than one in 5....and I didn't count the G5 opponents during his year at Toledo as they were scheduled by the MAC, thus not rent-a-wins.
Against P5 competition Saban lost 23% of the time
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Post by ajbuckeye on Jan 14, 2024 16:16:08 GMT
Also keep in mind the Championship Gifts awarded by the BCS and committee.
2011 They lose a game and don't make the SEC CCG. Yet they somehow get the nod over 1 loss Conference Champions. Cleary the opposite decision compared to the 2006 season.
2012 They get in because the NCAA slaps a bowl band on the Buckeyes because a couple of players traded some merch for tats.
2017 They get pummeled by a not very good Auburn team and miss the SEC CCG but yet the ESPN SEC committee sees that they were still worthy.
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Post by Bevo on Jan 14, 2024 17:44:10 GMT
lol. Now you’re willing to admit that the G5 is an inferior league ?
Technically, they are not. P5/G5 are media labels, not NCAA divisions. Wink, wink, nudge nudge
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Post by Bevo on Jan 14, 2024 17:45:14 GMT
Also keep in mind the Championship Gifts awarded by the BCS and committee. 2011 They lose a game and don't make the SEC CCG. Yet they somehow get the nod over 1 loss Conference Champions. Cleary the opposite decision compared to the 2006 season. 2012 They get in because the NCAA slaps a bowl band on the Buckeyes because a couple of players traded some merch for tats. 2017 They get pummeled by a not very good Auburn team and miss the SEC CCG but yet the ESPN SEC committee sees that they were still worthy. Yea. And then what happened ? How can you argue that the committee was wrong ? |
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Post by bluehen on Jan 14, 2024 18:39:33 GMT
lol. Now you’re willing to admit that the G5 is an inferior league ? Technically, they are not. P5/G5 are media labels, not NCAA divisions. Wink, wink, nudge nudge Ok, I get the 'wink wink' but obviously there is a talent gap between most , so called ,'G5s' and the top powerhouse so called 'P5s". Saban's history of making one out of every 5 of his opponents one of these teams has been to pad Bama'a record and nothing else. |
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Post by Bevo on Jan 14, 2024 18:42:50 GMT
lol. Now you’re willing to admit that the G5 is an inferior league ? Technically, they are not. P5/G5 are media labels, not NCAA divisions. Wink, wink, nudge nudge Ok, I get the 'wink wink' but obviously there is a talent gap between most , so called ,'G5s' and the top powerhouse so called 'P5s". Saban's history of making one out of every 5 of his opponents one of these teams has been to pad Bama'a record and nothing else. That’s how you WIN the game. Saban won it more than anyone. The debate ended a while ago. |
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Post by bluehen on Jan 14, 2024 21:16:46 GMT
He certainly didn't win more games than anybody ( for example he'd have to coach 10-12 more years to catch Paterno) Also, he certainly didn't win a higher percentage of his games than anybody...not even in top ten in success rate, even with all the built in rented wins. Yes, he won more mythical and semi-mythical national titles than the other FBS guys. Remember. Kehres won 11 nattys, without the help of a single vote.
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Post by Bevo on Jan 14, 2024 21:54:41 GMT
He certainly didn't win more games than anybody ( for example he'd have to coach 10-12 more years to catch Paterno) Also, he certainly didn't win a higher percentage of his games than anybody...not even in top ten in success rate, even with all the built in rented wins. Yes, he won more mythical and semi-mythical national titles than the other FBS guys. Remember. Kehres won 11 nattys, without the help of a single vote. You sound like me, trying to make a case for Peyton over Brady, years ago. |
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Post by bluehen on Jan 15, 2024 1:18:57 GMT
Nick's 64 games vs FCS/G5 teams is the equivalent of a full 5 1/4 seasons vs those teams (based on 12 team seasons). These talking heads who have zero understanding of what 'all time ' means never even think about things like that.
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Post by tigercpa on Jan 15, 2024 20:36:21 GMT
He certainly didn't win more games than anybody ( for example he'd have to coach 10-12 more years to catch Paterno) Also, he certainly didn't win a higher percentage of his games than anybody...not even in top ten in success rate, even with all the built in rented wins. Yes, he won more mythical and semi-mythical national titles than the other FBS guys. Remember. Kehres won 11 nattys, without the help of a single vote. Aren't Saban and Paterno tied at 297 each? |
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Post by tigercpa on Jan 15, 2024 20:38:29 GMT
He certainly didn't win more games than anybody ( for example he'd have to coach 10-12 more years to catch Paterno) Also, he certainly didn't win a higher percentage of his games than anybody...not even in top ten in success rate, even with all the built in rented wins. Yes, he won more mythical and semi-mythical national titles than the other FBS guys. Remember. Kehres won 11 nattys, without the help of a single vote. Aren't Saban and Paterno tied at 297 each? As we noted, Kehres had plenty of those built-in wins as well...like most of the conference - two losses in conference |
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Post by bluehen on Jan 15, 2024 23:22:01 GMT
Tied  JoePa won 409 games. The most CF games won by any coach at any NCAA level was 489 by John Gagliardi of St.John's , Minn. My greatest live CF memory was a DIII national title game played at Salem, Va (Stagg Bowl) between the all time wins leader in CF and the all time win % leader in CF, which, of course was Gagliardi vs Kehres. Gagliardi won. |
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Post by tigercpa on Jan 16, 2024 12:48:29 GMT
Tied JoePa won 409 games. The most CF games won by any coach at any NCAA level was 489 by John Gagliardi of St.John's , Minn. My greatest live CF memory was a DIII national title game played at Salem, Va (Stagg Bowl) between the all time wins leader in CF and the all time win % leader in CF, which, of course was Gagliardi vs Kehres. Gagliardi won. But 112 of those were vacated, hence the tie at 297. |
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