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Post by tigercpa on Jul 20, 2016 10:51:13 GMT
Bevo, I think it was purposeful. Consider that he got 24-48 hours of the news cycle for free (again) and got millions of people to watch a speech they may not have otherwise watched. Pure lunacy. You would expect us to believe that Trump intentionally sabotaged his wife, and made her look like an airhead, and to become a laughing stock? This will be quickly overwhelmed by the campaign, but it will be a long, long time before Melania Trump will be taken seriously. The irony is that she did everything right, and delivered her speech beautifully. She was the unwitting victim of inept amateurs on Trump's campaign team. Oh, I agree, this will blow over like a fart in the wind.
But, none of the other options make sense really. They made it close enough that they knew people would react this way. I'm not saying it's THE answer, but it's one of the possible answers.
Trump is playing 3D chess, the rest of these guys are playing checkers.
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Post by tigercpa on Jul 20, 2016 13:51:43 GMT
What did Jeb! get for his $150MM spent?
3 delegates.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Jul 20, 2016 16:23:17 GMT
Do you really, really believe that Donald Trump would intentionally make his wife look like a total fool and a cheater? Plagiarism is cheating!
Lol. Every time Trump says or does something that is genuinely stupid, you attribute it to his brilliant master plan.
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Post by Bevo on Jul 20, 2016 16:42:14 GMT
Bevo, I think it was purposeful. Consider that he got 24-48 hours of the news cycle for free (again) and got millions of people to watch a speech they may not have otherwise watched. Pure lunacy. You would expect us to believe that Trump intentionally sabotaged his wife, and made her look like an airhead, and to become a laughing stock? This will be quickly overwhelmed by the campaign, but it will be a long, long time before Melania Trump will be taken seriously. The irony is that she did everything right, and delivered her speech beautifully. She was the unwitting victim of inept amateurs on Trump's campaign team. I haven't seen or heard anyone saying that this makes Melania look like a laughing stock. Not even on MSNBC. She gave a nice speech. The copied words were generic... No one owns "your word is your bond". I think Melania will be just fine.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Jul 20, 2016 17:17:41 GMT
The old adage, "when you are in a hole, quit digging" applies to the Trump campaign here. The Trump campaign has put out a dozen or so wildly varied stories trying to explain away the obvious plagiarism. Now, Paul Manafort is making a fool of himself and the Trump campaign by lying about what happened. That is a flat out lie. Anyone with half a brain can instantly see that substantial passages of Michelle Obama's speech were plagiarized, almost word for word. The Trump campaign is doing the same thing that we detest in the Obama administration: lying to cover up. If they can't tell the simple truth regarding something so minor and inconsequential, how can we expect a Trump administration to tell the truth about future Benghazi level events? Trump's style of never apologizing can only lead to spin, when it is so easy to simply tell the truth in the first place. It is a virtue, not a weakness, to tell the truth and to apologize when an apology is in order. www.yahoo.com/news/cnn-cuomo-manafort-lying-trump-000000021.html
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Post by Bevo on Jul 20, 2016 21:33:21 GMT
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Jul 21, 2016 1:41:32 GMT
That is very believable. If the Trump campaign had simply come out with that in the first place, instead of a dozen different stories, all lies, this would have been over in a heartbeat. For the life of me, I can't understand why people can't tell the simple truth from the beginning.
A few on this forum would be well advised to go back and examine their defenses of the plagiarism!
There remains one more issue that, under the circumstances, will be allowed to drop. The plagiarism actually required two failures.
We now know the first, i.e., the speechwriter's plagiarism. The second was the proofreading, or lack thereof, of the speech. If it was proofed, then incompetency allowed the speech to go forward. If it was not proofread, then the principle blame substantially shifts to Manafort or Trump, or both. However, they are allowing the speechwriter to shoulder the entire blame.
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Post by tigercpa on Jul 21, 2016 11:03:53 GMT
I haven't seen or heard anyone saying that this makes Melania look like a laughing stock. Not even on MSNBC. She gave a nice speech. The copied words were generic platitudes... No one owns "your word is your bond". the phrases about your word being your bond and say what you mean/mean what you say/do what you say have been bouncing around for more than the 63 years I've been around- Moochelle didn't coin them so if Melania "plagiarized" so did Moochelle. Looks like they both "plagiarized" My Little Pony :-) It led to the MSM jumping on Don Jr too. Those trying to make hay of this come out looking like the idiots they are. I think Melania will be just fine.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Jul 21, 2016 11:31:29 GMT
I can't imagine why you quoted Bevo, tigercpa. That is an example of making up excuses to cover up the plagiarism. You and others went through a series of excuses and implausible theories to try to explain away and minimize the plagiarism.
At one point, the prevailing theory on this forum was the insane notion that it was purposeful, so that Trump could benefit from a 24-48 news cycle. As much as I detest Donald Trump, I came to his defense because I couldn't imagine him throwing his wife under the bus like that.
Now that we know half of the truth, the media focus will likely fade. We likely won't ever know the other equally important half of the truth, i.e., whether Melania's speech went through a proofreading review.
All of this consternation could have been avoided if the Trump campaign had simply told the truth from the beginning.
I have a sick feeling that, regardless of who is elected, we are in for four more years of lies, spin and coverups.
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Post by Hero on Jul 21, 2016 12:02:49 GMT
I have a sick feeling that, regardless of who is elected, we are in for four more years of lies, spin and coverups. So you think it's Hillary.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Jul 21, 2016 13:24:55 GMT
Like I said, regardless of who is elected.
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Post by Bevo on Jul 21, 2016 14:21:53 GMT
At one point, the prevailing theory on this forum was the insane notion that it was purposeful, so that Trump could benefit from a 24-48 news cycle. As much as I detest Donald Trump, I came to his defense because I couldn't imagine him throwing his wife under the bus like that.
Insane theory? Are you kidding me? I STILL think it's as likely as the idea that it was an innocent mistake was made.
Consider this:
1) The story about Meredith's bad, horrible, terrible mistake was KNOWN INTERNALLY, immediately. But, it wasn't released until after 48 hours of snarky, controversy-fueling statements. It was released only when, the entire thing WAS being forgotten.. the media was letting it go. Because, in the end, it's really NOT a big deal. The sentiments expressed were as generic as saying, 'He's a damn good Dawg'. Politicians plagiarize... ALL the time. Obama has done it. Michelle has done it. The people who saw Melania's speech liked it. Wait till they see Ivanka!
2) Did you see they way Trump managed the Ted Cruz speech? Trump knew EXACTLY what Ted was going to say. Trump turned it to his advantage.... appearing at JUST the right time, and having campaign people on the floor telling the New York delegation JUST when to start chanting.
Trump is putting on a SHOW. Doing ANYTHING, to draw attention.. keep people talking. He's not worried about Melania looking bad. If anything, she looks like the victim here. A BEAUTIFUL victim. He already knew what the cover story would be. I saw TWO DAYS of side-by-side videos of Michelle next to Melania. I don't think Trump was hurt by that, AT ALL. And, I doubt he thinks it hurt him either.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Jul 21, 2016 14:40:07 GMT
Good grief.
You are continuing with this wild and totally unfounded theory that Donald Trump intensionally threw his wife under the bus, to become an object of scorn and ridicule, even after the truth has finally come out?
As despicable of a person as I believe Donald Trump to be, even I won't stoop so low as to speculate that he would do such a terrible thing to his wife.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Jul 21, 2016 14:52:18 GMT
Just curious, why should anyone have expected Cruz to endorse Trump after Donald accused Cruz' father of conspiring to assassinate JFK and after Trump ridiculed and disparaged Cruz' wife?
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Post by Bevo on Jul 21, 2016 14:53:14 GMT
Good grief. You are continuing with this wild and totally unfounded theory that Donald Trump intensionally threw his wife under the bus, to become an object of scorn and ridicule, even after the truth has finally come out? As despicable of a person as I believe Donald Trump to be, even I won't stoop so low as to speculate that he would do such a terrible thing to his wife. Apparently, you have a higher opinion of Trump than I do! :-)
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