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Post by Bevo on May 26, 2017 1:34:21 GMT
Herd, you're approaching clinically insane, You REALLY need to step away from the Trump-Hating media. He never imperiled any Israeli spy. He gave only vague reference to the location of our subs. Trump sharing this information with our allies is neither a crime, nor unreasonable. What IS a crime, and completely irresponsible is, the leaking of this information to the press, and the reporting of it. The press today care more about trying to damage Trump than they do about American security. Of course.... You don't care about the REAL crime. Of course Trump didn't want anyone to learn that he leaked highly classified information from the Israeli's to the Russians! And, no doubt the Israeli spy who infiltrated ISIS is going to be comforted by your assurances. Good grief. Don't I recall that you were all in favor of leaks when it came to the Russians hacking the DNC's and Podesta's computers, and exposing Hillary's emails? What do you know about Duterte? Have you been keeping up? The Philippines, under Duterte, is an ally. Of China. Duterte is vehemently anti-American. Duterte was vehemently anti-Obama. He's been much more receptive to Trump. We have been allies with the Philippines for a very long time. Our relationship is especially important now, given China's aggressive moves in the South Pacific. Trump is bringing them back. I've never said I was in favor of Russia, or anyone hacking and releasing emails. I have stated that I don't consider revealing the truth to be a serious case of "interference". Rather, it was illuminating. Ironically, it proved election rigging... by the Democrats. Why didn't the slimy Russians release any HRC emails? There is ZERO evidence, other than a NYT anonymous source, that Trump revealed any such secret, or put any spy at risk. There is evidence to contrary, from a NAMED source, who was present during the conversation. A President.. ANY President, should have the ability to speak with foreign officials about coordination of prevention efforts against terrorism. He (or she) SHOULD be able to do so, without fear of any details of the conversation being maliciously leaked to the press. In this case, it's not clear at all that any truly damaging information was released. If it was, the damage was only done by the increase in publicity from the news reports.... not from any private discussion with the Russians.
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Post by Bevo on May 26, 2017 1:35:44 GMT
wow... now, THAT is disgraceful. You're absolutely hopeless.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on May 26, 2017 2:15:32 GMT
When I saw Trump's pose immediately after rudely pushing Montenegro's PM aside, Mussolini instantly came to mind. The arrogant appearance, certainly not political ideology.
I did a Google search for "Mussolini smug looks", and I was shocked to see that Trump photos are well represented. And, here I thought that (as usual) I was ahead of the curve! Lol.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on May 26, 2017 14:13:36 GMT
FHF: Is Trump going to investigate himself? After all, he is the one who leaked the highly classified Israeli intelligence to the Russians, imperiling the life of the Israeli spy. Bevo: Herd, you're approaching clinically insane, You REALLY need to step away from the Trump-Hating media. He never imperiled any Israeli spy. Hero went nuts when I likened his (predictable) approval to the (predictable) responses from Howdy Doody's Peanut Gallery. If you want to see what real personal attacks look like, just review the repeated recent occurrences where Bevo has accused me of lying (prevaricating), without being able to come up with a single example. And, check out his out-of-bounds comment above. When he comes up with a knee-jerk response, such as his contention above that Trump didn't imperil an Israeli spy, I typically simply respond with a substantiating source, like this: abcnews.go.com/Blotter/trumps-disclosure-endangered-spy-inside-isis-israel-officials/story?id=47449304
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Post by Hero on May 26, 2017 15:34:28 GMT
Is Trump going to investigate himself? After all, he is the one who leaked the highly classified Israeli intelligence to the Russians, imperiling the life of the Israeli spy within ISIS. And, he is the one who leaked the location of U.S. nuclear subs to Duterte. In any event, Theresa May has made it clear that Britain cannot trust the Trump administration with shared confidential and classified information. Donald would be well advised to stay in good graces with May, as she is more than his match: www.yahoo.com/news/trump-threatens-prosecution-over-manchester-attack-leaks-154927634.htmlHerd, you're approaching clinically insane, You REALLY need to step away from the Trump-Hating media. I shudder to think how many times this scenario is being played out across the nation and to what end.
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Post by Bevo on May 26, 2017 17:36:27 GMT
FHF: Is Trump going to investigate himself? After all, he is the one who leaked the highly classified Israeli intelligence to the Russians, imperiling the life of the Israeli spy. Bevo: Herd, you're approaching clinically insane, You REALLY need to step away from the Trump-Hating media. He never imperiled any Israeli spy. Hero went nuts when I likened his (predictable) approval to the (predictable) responses from Howdy Doody's Peanut Gallery. If you want to see what real personal attacks look like, just review the repeated recent occurrences where Bevo has accused me of lying (prevaricating), without being able to come up with a single example. And, check out his out-of-bounds comment above. When he comes up with a knee-jerk response, such as his contention above that Trump didn't imperil an Israeli spy, I typically simply respond with a substantiating source, like this: abcnews.go.com/Blotter/trumps-disclosure-endangered-spy-inside-isis-israel-officials/story?id=47449304The difference is: You believe ABC. I do not. I believe the current US National Security Advisor: 'The story that came out tonight is false,' McMaster told a pack of reporters gathered outside the West Wing. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4508898/Did-Trump-leak-classified-info-Russians.html I also watched him say this, live on TV when questioned about it. On record... not hiding behind anonymity. This statement, from ABC "The life of a spy placed by Israel inside ISIS is at risk tonight"... is completely irresponsible. How would ANYONE know it was an Israeli spy? What benefit does that information give to us, the public? None. We've been hearing about threats from laptop bombs for a long time now. Here's one from CNN, more than a week before Trump supposedly spilled the beans. www.cnn.com/2017/03/31/politics/terrorist-laptop-bombs-may-evade-security/There were other reports even earlier. They seem to have originated from intel gathered as we drove Isis out of Mosul. You usually don't "lie"... but, you do constantly over-state, or miss-represent the truth. It's usually when you just repeat drivel posted and stated by liberal news media. Such as Wheeler "recanting" his story. They're ALL saying this. It's not true. A "recant" would be, Wheeler coming out and saying there is NO evidence that Seth Rich sent information to WikiLeaks. Wheeler didn't say that. All he said was, his information didn't come "DIRECTLY" from someone in the FBI. Rather, the information came indirectly. That's not a "recant". At best, it's a clarification, or correction. With you, I assume it's an intentionally miss-leading statement because I assume you are intelligent enough to know the difference. Maybe I've been giving you too much credit? If it is intentional, just with the intent to keep the dialogue going? Well, there's a word for that. It's not a pretty word.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on May 26, 2017 18:30:14 GMT
FHF: Is Trump going to investigate himself? After all, he is the one who leaked the highly classified Israeli intelligence to the Russians, imperiling the life of the Israeli spy. Bevo: Herd, you're approaching clinically insane, You REALLY need to step away from the Trump-Hating media. He never imperiled any Israeli spy. Hero went nuts when I likened his (predictable) approval to the (predictable) responses from Howdy Doody's Peanut Gallery. If you want to see what real personal attacks look like, just review the repeated recent occurrences where Bevo has accused me of lying (prevaricating), without being able to come up with a single example. And, check out his out-of-bounds comment above. When he comes up with a knee-jerk response, such as his contention above that Trump didn't imperil an Israeli spy, I typically simply respond with a substantiating source, like this: abcnews.go.com/Blotter/trumps-disclosure-endangered-spy-inside-isis-israel-officials/story?id=47449304Bevo: The difference is: You believe ABC. I do not. I believe the current US National Security Advisor: 'The story that came out tonight is false,' McMaster told a pack of reporters gathered outside the West Wing. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4508898/Did-Trump-leak-classified-info-Russians.html FHF: McMaster did not deny that Trump passed highly classified information to the Russians. He did not deny that an Israeli spy that had infiltrated ISIS had been imperiled. However, he did deny that Trump revealed sources and methods, neither of which were alleged. And, he denied that Trump had passed along information on military operations that were not already known. But, this also was not alleged. Bevo: I also watched him say this, live on TV when questioned about it. On record... not hiding behind anonymity. FHF: Yes. You watched McMaster deny things that were not alleged, and not deny what was alleged. Smoke and mirrors. Bevo: This statement, from ABC "The life of a spy placed by Israel inside ISIS is at risk tonight"... is completely irresponsible. How would ANYONE know it was an Israeli spy? FHF: Israel knows. Bevo: What benefit does that information give to us, the public? None. FHF: It is only a question of how many times it will take Trump to be caught, exposed and embarrassed sharing highly confidential classified information with our adversaries before he learns his lesson. Bevo: We've been hearing about threats from laptop bombs for a long time now. Here's one from CNN, more than a week before Trump supposedly spilled the beans. www.cnn.com/2017/03/31/politics/terrorist-laptop-bombs-may-evade-security/There were other reports even earlier. They seem to have originated from intel gathered as we drove Isis out of Mosul. FHF: They "seem to have originated..."? That bit of speculation does not counter the report that this information came from the Israeli spy. Bevo: You usually don't "lie"... but, you do constantly over-state, or miss-represent the truth. It's usually when you just repeat drivel posted and stated by liberal news media. Such as Wheeler "recanting" his story. They're ALL saying this. It's not true. A "recant" would be, Wheeler coming out and saying there is NO evidence that Seth Rich sent information to WikiLeaks. Wheeler didn't say that. All he said was, his information didn't come "DIRECTLY" from someone in the FBI. Rather, the information came indirectly. That's not a "recant". At best, it's a clarification, or correction. With you, I assume it's an intentionally miss-leading statement because I assume you are intelligent enough to know the difference. Maybe I've been giving you too much credit? If it is intentional, just with the intent to keep the dialogue going? Well, there's a word for that. It's not a pretty word. FHF: Have I ever once accused you of approaching "clinically insane", or anything remotely close to that? The fact is, I never lie. You have not been able to cite and cannot find a single instance of me lying. I keep mental notes of when you accuse me of prevaricating or lying. In the case of Rod Wheeler, for whom I have considerable respect, he did a total 180. At first, he said that he got his information from FBI sources, then later admitted that he did not get information from FBI sources. You said that I "repeat drivel posted and stated by liberal news media. Such as Wheeler "recanting" his story". I challenge you to back that up. You can't because I didn't! You just assumed that I did. Wrongly. So, what is the "not a pretty word" to which you allude, but won't say? What are you accusing me of this time?
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Post by Bevo on May 26, 2017 19:07:53 GMT
In the case of Rod Wheeler, for whom I have considerable respect, he did a total 180. At first, he said that he got his information from FBI sources, then later admitted that he did not get information from FBI sources. The pertinent part of Wheeler's story was not whether he got the information DIRECTLY from the FBI, it was that the FBI was in possession of information verifying that Rich had been in contact with WikiLeaks. Wheeler is not claiming now that such evidence doesn't exist. He's merely changed his story about WHO he heard it from. The lying liberal media virtually ALL refer to this change as a "recant". If you came up with the same incorrect word on your own, that's even more shameful. I'll let the rest lie as it is. There's really no point to discussing Trump with you. I can get the same perspective just watching Morning Joe.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on May 26, 2017 19:12:32 GMT
Of course Trump didn't want anyone to learn that he leaked highly classified information from the Israeli's to the Russians! And, no doubt the Israeli spy who infiltrated ISIS is going to be comforted by your assurances. Good grief. Don't I recall that you were all in favor of leaks when it came to the Russians hacking the DNC's and Podesta's computers, and exposing Hillary's emails? What do you know about Duterte? Have you been keeping up? The Philippines, under Duterte, is an ally. Of China. Duterte is vehemently anti-American. Bevo: Duterte was vehemently anti-Obama. He's been much more receptive to Trump. We have been allies with the Philippines for a very long time. Our relationship is especially important now, given China's aggressive moves in the South Pacific. Trump is bringing them back. FHF: Duterte was and remains anti-American. I didn't say that he was anti-Trump. Why should be be so, after Trump congratulated Duterte for his crusade against drugs, which is based on his authorizing hit squads to murder suspected drug dealers in the streets? www.nytimes.com/2017/05/23/us/politics/trump-duterte-phone-transcript-philippine-drug-crackdown.html?_r=0Bevo: I have stated that I don't consider revealing the truth (exposed by Russian government hackings) to be a serious case of "interference". FHF: Wow. That is shocking. Unbelievable. Indefensible. Bevo: There is ZERO evidence, other than a NYT anonymous source, that Trump revealed any such secret, or put any spy at risk. There is evidence to contrary, from a NAMED source, who was present during the conversation. FHF: There has been no denial that Trump leaked highly confidential and classified information to the Russians, or that he put the Israeli spy at risk. There has only been a denial of things that have not been alleged, such as revealing sources and methods, and of secret military operations. Bevo: A President.. ANY President, should have the ability to speak with foreign officials about coordination of prevention efforts against terrorism. He (or she) SHOULD be able to do so, without fear of any details of the conversation being maliciously leaked to the press. In this case, it's not clear at all that any truly damaging information was released. If it was, the damage was only done by the increase in publicity from the news reports.... not from any private discussion with the Russians. FHF: A president has the power to declassify any classified information or document at any time, for any reason. However, in this case, Trump allegedly revealed highly classified information from the Israelis to the Russians, without first notifying and gaining the approval of the Israeli government. In so doing, he imperiled an Israeli spy. The Trump administration also leaked the name of the British suicide bomber along with classified crime scene photos, without first consulting with and gaining the approval of the British government. How can Israel, Britain or any other nation feel secure in sharing classified information with the Trump administration? We can only hope that Theresa May's dressing down of Trump hit home. You are correct that, in either case, the information should not have been leaked to the media. Two points: (1) it was the Trump administration that "maliciously" leaked to information and (2) once the media received the leaked information it had every right to publish it.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on May 26, 2017 19:31:56 GMT
In the case of Rod Wheeler, for whom I have considerable respect, he did a total 180. At first, he said that he got his information from FBI sources, then later admitted that he did not get information from FBI sources. The pertinent part of Wheeler's story was not whether he got the information DIRECTLY from the FBI, it was that the FBI was in possession of information verifying that Rich had been in contact with WikiLeaks. Wheeler is not claiming now that such evidence doesn't exist. He's merely changed his story about WHO he heard it from. The lying liberal media virtually ALL refer to this change as a "recant". If you came up with the same incorrect word on your own, that's even more shameful. I'll let the rest lie as it is. There's really no point to discussing Trump with you. I can get the same perspective just watching Morning Joe. I have never once watched Morning Joe, and am surprised that you apparently do. I have never seen where the liberal media has used the word "recant". You haven't provided a single example of such, much less linked it to me as my source. I have yet to see anything establishing that the FBI is in possession of information verifying that Rich had been in touch with Wikileaks. I have failed countless times in my duty not to cause my mother to feel ashamed. However, I doubt that my mother would disapprove of my characterization of Rod Wheeler's backtracking. That is all that counts.
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Post by Bevo on May 26, 2017 20:30:15 GMT
I have never seen where the liberal media has used the word "recant". You haven't provided a single example of such, So... here's a funny story. A few days ago, when I Googled "Wheeler Recants", literally dozens of stories popped up. From MSNBC, Politico, HuffPo, The Nation,... all the usual lib rags. Today? Almost nothing. If I add the name of the liberal rag, like Daily Kos, to the search... I can see it in the listing. But, when I try to go to that page? It's a different story. Same thing for Huffpo. REALLY weird..... The FORCE is strong with this story. Here are the few remaining fragments... the first one, I ONLY found after adding NBC to the search field. Wheeler has since completely recanted his story, both in the press and in a private message to Rich's family. www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/slain-dnc-staffer-s-family-orders-blabbing-detective-cease-desist-n762211Despite the story being debunked and Wheeler himself recanting his initial statements to the press, www.snopes.com/2017/05/23/fox-story-seth-rich-retraction/At this point, with the body of evidence that is out there, and with the private investigator thoroughly recanting his story, it shows a complete lack of journalistic integrity for them to continue running www.washingtonian.com/2017/05/17/fox-5-seth-rich-story-disintegrated-made-no-sense/is story
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on May 26, 2017 21:00:57 GMT
Ok. I'll confess. I cleaned up the multitudes of examples of the liberal media using the word "recant" online. It was a massive undertaking - there were thousands. I got almost all of them!
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on May 26, 2017 23:03:21 GMT
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Post by Bevo on May 26, 2017 23:04:19 GMT
Ok. I'll confess. I cleaned up the multitudes of examples of the liberal media using the word "recant" online. It was a massive undertaking - there were thousands. I got almost all of them! I didn't accuse you .., but someone did. They got ALL the ones with "recants" in the headlines. It's the strangest thing I've ever seen.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on May 27, 2017 0:04:30 GMT
Ok. I'll confess. I cleaned up the multitudes of examples of the liberal media using the word "recant" online. It was a massive undertaking - there were thousands. I got almost all of them! I didn't accuse you .., but someone did. They got ALL the ones with "recants" in the headlines. It's the strangest thing I've ever seen. In that case, I recant.
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