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Post by EvilVodka on Jun 6, 2017 18:04:24 GMT
From Yahoo, and ultimately NPR: npr.tumblr.com/post/161503415911/report-russia-launched-cyberattack-on-voting?hl=1&noRedirect=1"Russia’s military intelligence agency launched an attack before Election Day 2016 on a U.S. company that provides voting services and systems, according to a top secret report posted Monday by The Intercept. The news site published a report, with redactions, by the National Security Agency that described the Russian spear-phishing scheme, one it described as perpetrated by the same intelligence agency — the GRU — sanctioned by the Obama administration over the 2016 cyber-mischief. According to the NSA report, Russian hackers sent emails to people who worked at a company that provides election software and hardware, trying to trick them into giving up their user credentials. The goal was to get custom software onto their computers so that Russian spies could find out more about the workings of the network. The Intercept reports, “At least one of the employee accounts was likely compromised, the agency concluded.” ==================================================================================== so does anyone really believe this? My parents in Texas said they voted on paper ballots.... News has lost all credibility IMO. The waters on truth have been so muddied that anyone can just throw anything out now so who is the group trying to get all of us to hate Russia? because someone obviously is |
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Post by Bevo on Jun 6, 2017 18:20:29 GMT
They might have tried, but I don't believe they were successful. That NSA report was issued in July of LAST year....when Obama was President. Obama said, in October 2016 that there was NO evidence that Russia, or anyone was a threat to the integrity of our voting system.
If the Russians had been sccessful, we'd have all heard about it by now. They've been investigating more than a year! Still, nothing. It's simply a Democrat/media ruse to try to de-legitimize Trump. It's tiresome, and destructive.
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Post by EvilVodka on Jun 6, 2017 18:34:38 GMT
They might have tried, but I don't believe they were successful. That NSA report was issued in July of LAST year....when Obama was President. Obama said, in October 2016 that there was NO evidence that Russia, or anyone was a threat to the integrity of our voting system. If the Russians had been sccessful, we'd have all heard about it by now. They've been investigating more than a year! Still, nothing. It's simply a Democrat/media ruse to try to de-legitimize Trump. It's tiresome, and destructive. The American people are being played like a fiddle.... Racism ISIS Russian Cyber-Hacking Tail wagging the dog Just my opinion, but I think the U.S. Govt has completely separated from the people and is on their own. I don't believe one second that Russia had any influence over the election...that's fucking retarded and entirely unfeasible. Yet this narrative continues to live...amazing Funny how all of the racism "shootings" have gone away pretty fast as well... |
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Post by Hero on Jun 6, 2017 20:24:24 GMT
They might have tried, but I don't believe they were successful. That NSA report was issued in July of LAST year....when Obama was President. Obama said, in October 2016 that there was NO evidence that Russia, or anyone was a threat to the integrity of our voting system. If the Russians had been sccessful, we'd have all heard about it by now. They've been investigating more than a year! Still, nothing. It's simply a Democrat/media ruse to try to de-legitimize Trump. It's tiresome, and destructive. The American people are being played like a fiddle.... Racism ISIS Russian Cyber-Hacking Tail wagging the dog Just my opinion, but I think the U.S. Govt has completely separated from the people and is on their own. I don't believe one second that Russia had any influence over the election...that's fucking retarded and entirely unfeasible. Yet this narrative continues to live...amazing Funny how all of the racism "shootings" have gone away pretty fast as well... I could not agree with you more. |
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Post by tigercpa on Jun 6, 2017 23:40:14 GMT
Russian didn't hack or hijack anything, except liberal brains.
It's all a ruse.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Jun 7, 2017 2:25:58 GMT
They might have tried, but I don't believe they were successful. That NSA report was issued in July of LAST year....when Obama was President. Obama said, in October 2016 that there was NO evidence that Russia, or anyone was a threat to the integrity of our voting system. If the Russians had been sccessful, we'd have all heard about it by now. They've been investigating more than a year! Still, nothing. It's simply a Democrat/media ruse to try to de-legitimize Trump. It's tiresome, and destructive. Your first sentence actually made some sense. However: The classified document leaked by Reality Winner pertained to Russian efforts to undermine the election that occurred after the NSA report was issued, up to and including November 2016. Somehow, you have concluded that Russian government's meddling in the U.S. election is ok as long as they didn't succeed in changing the outcome of the election. You couldn't possibly be more wrong in claiming that nothing has come out of the investigations. The genesis of the investigations was a joint letter issued by the DNI, the FBI and the CIA in which all intelligence agencies and services, along with the FBI, unanimously concluded that Putin personally directed the Russian government to hack the computers for the purpose of interfering with the election, and to boost the Trump candidacy. Now, we are learning, thanks to the classified document leaked by Winner, that the Russians allegedly went much further, into attempts at actual vote tampering. The probability that the election tampering by the Russians did not change the outcome of the election does not in any way absolve Putin and the Russian government. At best, the Russian sabotage was an assault on our Constitution. I won't go as far as some who consider it an act of war, but that is not an unreasonable conclusion. Meanwhile. the investigations continue... |
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Jun 7, 2017 2:59:06 GMT
EV:
so does anyone really believe this?
FHF:
U.S. intelligence professionals obviously do.
EV:
My parents in Texas said they voted on paper ballots....
FHF:
Would you like a do over on this? Lol.
EV:
News has lost all credibility IMO.
FHF;
Did that just happen? There are legitimate and trustworthy news organizations, there are others that are heavily biased and there are some that thrive on wild conspiracy theories, and twist and distort the news until it is unrecognizable. Donald Trump had had a history of being enamored by the latter. Hence, his advocacy of the birther movement, Ted Cruz' father's participating in JFK's assassination, etc. The news in far more dependable in the U.S. than in most of the world.
EV:
The waters on truth have been so muddied that anyone can just throw anything out now
FHF:
It is actually a good thing that anyone can just throw anything out there now! It wasn't that long ago that the major television networks and big city newspapers had total control of the news. They were in sync with a strong liberal bias. Now, with the advent of talk radio, the Internet and cable TV networks, there is a competition of ideas and ideologies. The news consumer has a wide diversity of perspectives from which to choose.
EV:
so who is the group trying to get all of us to hate Russia? because someone obviously is
FHF:
The Russians are doing a great job on their own, by invading and annexing Crimea, with uninvited Russian troops in eastern Ukraine, by attempting to undermine democratic elections across Europe and the U.S., by efforts to destabilize NATO, by siding with tyrants like Assad, etc.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Jun 7, 2017 3:00:16 GMT
Russian didn't hack or hijack anything, except liberal brains. It's all a ruse. Those who choose to be blind cannot see. |
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Post by Bevo on Jun 7, 2017 3:12:04 GMT
They might have tried, but I don't believe they were successful. That NSA report was issued in July of LAST year....when Obama was President. Obama said, in October 2016 that there was NO evidence that Russia, or anyone was a threat to the integrity of our voting system. If the Russians had been sccessful, we'd have all heard about it by now. They've been investigating more than a year! Still, nothing. It's simply a Democrat/media ruse to try to de-legitimize Trump. It's tiresome, and destructive. Your first sentence actually made some sense. However: The classified document leaked by Reality Winner pertained to Russian efforts to undermine the election that occurred after the NSA report was issued, up to and including November 2016. Somehow, you have concluded that Russian government's meddling in the U.S. election is ok as long as they didn't succeed in changing the outcome of the election. You couldn't possibly be more wrong in claiming that nothing has come out of the investigations. The genesis of the investigations was a joint letter issued by the DNI, the FBI and the CIA in which all intelligence agencies and services, along with the FBI, unanimously concluded that Putin personally directed the Russian government to hack the computers for the purpose of interfering with the election, and to boost the Trump candidacy. Now, we are learning, thanks to the classified document leaked by Winner, that the Russians allegedly went much further, into attempts at actual vote tampering. The probability that the election tampering by the Russians did not change the outcome of the election does not in any way absolve Putin and the Russian government. At best, the Russian sabotage was an assault on our Constitution. I won't go as far as some who consider it an act of war, but that is not an unreasonable conclusion. Meanwhile. the investigations continue... Obama's assurance that there was no hacking came in December 2016. I have never said it was ok for Russia to meddle with our election. That claim is simply false. This new report is the first I've seen claiming any direct cyber attacking into election infra-structure of any kind. To me, this is far more serious than leaks of emails, publicly credited to have been leaked by Russia. It's worthy of further investigation. Supposed Trump collusion is not. |
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Jun 7, 2017 3:15:06 GMT
EV,
Just my opinion, but I think the U.S. Govt has completely separated from the people and is on their own.
FHF;
There are some from every political and ideological persuasion who agree with you. However, if what you are saying is true, then Trump's election would not have been possible.
EV,
I don't believe one second that Russia had any influence over the election....
FHF:
True, but the Russian government certainly TRIED to influence the election. Should they get a free pass for being inept?
EV:
Funny how all of the racism "shootings" have gone away pretty fast as well...
FHF:
The facts prove that it always was a contrived controversy.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Jun 7, 2017 3:20:28 GMT
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Post by Bevo on Jun 7, 2017 3:32:09 GMT
The DNC's emals were hacked.... Which resulted in "meddling". But, Obama assured us that the election process was NOT compromised. Because, he told Putin to "cut it out". Go read the transcript. |
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Jun 7, 2017 3:57:53 GMT
Bevo:
The DNC's emals were hacked.... Which resulted in "meddling". But, Obama assured us that the election process was NOT compromised. Because, he told Putin to "cut it out". Go read the transcript.
FHF:
I trust you realize that is a total reversal from your original claim: "Obama's assurance that there was no hacking came in December 2016."
I agree that the election process was not compromised. But, the Russians tried! Even you now accept that the Russians tried to "meddle" in our election.
Have you ever considered that if the Russians escape unchallenged and unpunished, that they will be emboldened to work on improving their effectiveness?
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Post by Bevo on Jun 7, 2017 13:40:10 GMT
I trust you realize that is a total reversal from your original claim: "Obama's assurance that there was no hacking came in December 2016." It's not a total reversal, it's a needed clarification. I see a difference between hacking into DNC emails and leaking documents vs hacking into our vote counting infra-structure. Neither is "Ok". But, the former is not as serious, IMO. Especially when a large chunk of the responsibility for the first one lies with the DNC, who did not take even the most basic steps necessary to protect themselves. The language in this entire discussion often gets sloppy. "Meddling" vs "Hacking" vs "Interfering" vs "Corrupting". They all can mean different things to the person saying them, vs hearing them. This makes for difficult discussion. The bottom line is: Computer hacking is a global problem. Like many forms of terrorism, it can be extremely difficult to identify the perpetrator, with certainty. The onus is on US to find ways to protect our own systems. Our own government should be helping lead this effort. Threatening others will never give us the surety we need. |
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Jun 7, 2017 15:04:31 GMT
Bevo:
Obama's assurance that there was no hacking came in December 2016.
Bevo:
The DNC's emals were hacked.... Which resulted in "meddling".
Bevo:
It's not a total reversal, it's a needed clarification.
FHF:
Ok. Lol.
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