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Jun 26, 2017 15:29:09 GMT
Post by bluehen on Jun 26, 2017 15:29:09 GMT
Bevo who believes, wholeheartedly, that voting is much better than playing for determining sports championships. Good grief Hen. Why would you say something like that? You KNOW it is not true. That is the kind of BS that herd would post. I have NEVER, EVER... In MANY years of posting here said that "voting is better than playing".... Never. ahhh just farting around with you, Bevo. Of course I know that you know 'playing' is better than 'voting'. |
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Jun 26, 2017 15:35:42 GMT
Post by bluehen on Jun 26, 2017 15:35:42 GMT
Bevo who believes, wholeheartedly, that voting is much better than playing for determining sports championships. Good grief Hen. Why would you say something like that? You KNOW it is not true. That is the kind of BS that herd would post. I have NEVER, EVER... In MANY years of posting here said that "voting is better than playing".... Never. |
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Jun 26, 2017 23:30:47 GMT
Post by Bevo on Jun 26, 2017 23:30:47 GMT
Was out of the country last week, and missed most of the CWS. But, I'm home this week.... And loving watching my former home team, LSU, in the Finals!!! Geaux Tigers!!!
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Jun 27, 2017 2:15:33 GMT
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Jun 27, 2017 2:15:33 GMT
Bevo:
There is LOT of competition Hen. We watch it every week. You just prefer to pretend it never happens and doesn't matter.
FHF:
BH said, "actual head to head elimination competition". HUGE difference.
All football championships, other than FBS, from high school, college and NFL have always been determined by "actual head to head elimination competition". All also have competition each week leading up to the championship playoffs.
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Jun 27, 2017 2:40:05 GMT
Post by bluehen on Jun 27, 2017 2:40:05 GMT
Bevo: There is LOT of competition Hen. We watch it every week. You just prefer to pretend it never happens and doesn't matter. FHF: BH said, "actual head to head elimination competition". HUGE difference. All football championships, other than FBS, from high school, college and NFL have always been determined by "actual head to head elimination competition". All also have competition each week leading up to the championship playoffs. Exactly, FHF.......regular season ratings and rankings and any other assorted opinionated mythical guesswork is 100% mutually exclusive from actual on field , head to head, championship elimination competition.. Only one team sport on planet Earth prefers voting over playing. |
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Jun 27, 2017 13:49:24 GMT
Post by ajbuckeye on Jun 27, 2017 13:49:24 GMT
I hope GG made the trip to Omaha to finally see his Gators winning and advancing through the field ( great pitching !) Great college sports championship......and NOBODY gets VOTED directly into the final four. That makes it a bogus championship. Right, Bevo ? No Hen. There NO bogus championships. There are just different formats. Comparing sports. College football has only had one champion since the start of the BCS that did not win their conference titile. The last 4 winners of the NCAA Mens Basketball champions did not win there conference titile and were voted in to participate. It's just a matter of opinion to what is a more valid format. In College Basketball we have had champions that were not top 25 going into the post season win it all. I can see the argument before the BCS days that it was a mythical champion. Now that the playoff has been expanded to 4 teams, that argument does not carry nearly as much weight. |
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Jun 27, 2017 14:47:50 GMT
Post by GatorGrad on Jun 27, 2017 14:47:50 GMT
No Hen. There NO bogus championships. There are just different formats. Comparing sports. College football has only had one champion since the start of the BCS that did not win their conference titile. The last 4 winners of the NCAA Mens Basketball champions did not win there conference titile and were voted in to participate. It's just a matter of opinion to what is a more valid format. In College Basketball we have had champions that were not top 25 going into the post season win it all. I can see the argument before the BCS days that it was a mythical champion. Now that the playoff has been expanded to 4 teams, that argument does not carry nearly as much weight. Good data. One thing in college football's favor is that the CFP Champion is almost always a conference champ with a top-notch resume / season. You pretty much have to either be unbeaten or have one loss, perhaps a max of two losses if you played a great schedule. No one can ever say that the CFP Champion did not have a great overall season from start to finish. You don't see any four loss teams that finished 5th place in their conference winning the CFP. The problems with the CFP are (1) it may still exclude deserving teams since it is limited to four teams and (2) it is not an "NCAA Championship" which is problem for some...perhaps not others. |
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Jun 27, 2017 18:19:44 GMT
Post by Bevo on Jun 27, 2017 18:19:44 GMT
The last 4 winners of the NCAA Mens Basketball champions did not win there conference titile and were voted in to participate LOL Very true. I'm not in favor of a team that is NOT DESERVING being given a shot at an end-of-year mulligan. That's what happens in bloated tournaments like NCAA BB. FBS is a LONG way from that. I'm still on the fence between 4 & 8 being the best number. But, as it is, it takes some GREAT playing to win. |
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Jun 27, 2017 18:54:44 GMT
Post by bluehen on Jun 27, 2017 18:54:44 GMT
You've got 32 conferences and conference champions in NCAA D1 basketball. How would you de-bloat it ?
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Jun 27, 2017 20:00:38 GMT
Post by Bevo on Jun 27, 2017 20:00:38 GMT
You've got 32 conferences and conference champions in NCAA D1 basketball. How would you de-bloat it ? I'd start by getting rid of a BUNCH of "invitees".... cut the total number down to 48, and give first round BYE's to the Top 4 seeds. So, 32 CHAMPS + 16 "at large". |
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Jun 28, 2017 1:02:58 GMT
Post by Hero on Jun 28, 2017 1:02:58 GMT
Bevo: There is LOT of competition Hen. We watch it every week. You just prefer to pretend it never happens and doesn't matter. FHF: BH said, "actual head to head elimination competition". HUGE difference. All football championships, other than FBS, from high school, college and NFL have always been determined by "actual head to head elimination competition". All also have competition each week leading up to the championship playoffs. Exactly, FHF.......regular season ratings and rankings and any other assorted opinionated mythical guesswork is 100% mutually exclusive from actual on field , head to head, championship elimination competition.. Only one team sport on planet Earth prefers voting over playing. Schools submitting bid packages to establish Regionals is certainly the best way. Capitalism at it's finest. Thumbs up for NCAA Baseball. Pure and simple. |
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Jun 28, 2017 18:24:59 GMT
Post by ajbuckeye on Jun 28, 2017 18:24:59 GMT
You've got 32 conferences and conference champions in NCAA D1 basketball. How would you de-bloat it ? I'd start by getting rid of a BUNCH of "invitees".... cut the total number down to 48, and give first round BYE's to the Top 4 seeds. So, 32 CHAMPS + 16 "at large". Once you add additional spots, it is pretty hard just to take them away without ruffling a bunch of feathers. If it were my task to debloat the tournament my first step would be to get rid of the autobids for winning a conference tourney. Or at least have some criteria of in place to qualify a team for a tournament. Before the first game is even played we already know that the team that comes from the summit league (or a dozen others has no chance to win). Reduce the number of at large teams that at worst case scenario it would be highly unlikely that no more than the top 25% from a conference would go. It's rediculous that if you are in a power 5 conference, a 500 conference record gets you in. What criteria or formula to use would take a while to figure out. But if the number of teams that get in went back to 24 or 32 like it use to be, then the regular season would be a lot more fun to watch. Also if this happened, I would expect the low end conferences to go out and start there own post season. Personally, I watch almost no college hoops during the regular season with the exception of the teams I root for. The UNC Duke game is the premier rivalry but in the end the outcome has almost no bearing on post season with the exception of possibly moving up or down 1 seed. So my attitude is why set aside the time to watch if the game means nothing. |
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Jun 29, 2017 0:15:32 GMT
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Jun 29, 2017 0:15:32 GMT
No Hen. There NO bogus championships. There are just different formats. Comparing sports. College football has only had one champion since the start of the BCS that did not win their conference titile. The last 4 winners of the NCAA Mens Basketball champions did not win there conference titile and were voted in to participate. It's just a matter of opinion to what is a more valid format. In College Basketball we have had champions that were not top 25 going into the post season win it all. I can see the argument before the BCS days that it was a mythical champion. Now that the playoff has been expanded to 4 teams, that argument does not carry nearly as much weight. What if the best basketball team at the end of the season lost several games early and, as a consequence, was not ranked in the final top-25? Would you deny the best team an opportunity to compete? Some teams improve significantly as the season progresses, while others decline. Championships are won by teams that are playing the best at the end of the season. |
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Jun 29, 2017 0:20:46 GMT
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Jun 29, 2017 0:20:46 GMT
I'd start by getting rid of a BUNCH of "invitees".... cut the total number down to 48, and give first round BYE's to the Top 4 seeds. So, 32 CHAMPS + 16 "at large". Once you add additional spots, it is pretty hard just to take them away without ruffling a bunch of feathers. If it were my task to debloat the tournament my first step would be to get rid of the autobids for winning a conference tourney. Or at least have some criteria of in place to qualify a team for a tournament. Before the first game is even played we already know that the team that comes from the summit league (or a dozen others has no chance to win). Reduce the number of at large teams that at worst case scenario it would be highly unlikely that no more than the top 25% from a conference would go. It's rediculous that if you are in a power 5 conference, a 500 conference record gets you in. What criteria or formula to use would take a while to figure out. But if the number of teams that get in went back to 24 or 32 like it use to be, then the regular season would be a lot more fun to watch. Also if this happened, I would expect the low end conferences to go out and start there own post season. Personally, I watch almost no college hoops during the regular season with the exception of the teams I root for. The UNC Duke game is the premier rivalry but in the end the outcome has almost no bearing on post season with the exception of possibly moving up or down 1 seed. So my attitude is why set aside the time to watch if the game means nothing. Some complaining about "bloated" playoff fields were satisfied with no playoffs. |
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Jun 29, 2017 0:54:39 GMT
Post by Hero on Jun 29, 2017 0:54:39 GMT
Comparing sports. College football has only had one champion since the start of the BCS that did not win their conference titile. The last 4 winners of the NCAA Mens Basketball champions did not win there conference titile and were voted in to participate. It's just a matter of opinion to what is a more valid format. In College Basketball we have had champions that were not top 25 going into the post season win it all. I can see the argument before the BCS days that it was a mythical champion. Now that the playoff has been expanded to 4 teams, that argument does not carry nearly as much weight. What if the best basketball team at the end of the season lost several games early and, as a consequence, was not ranked in the final top-25? Would you deny the best team an opportunity to compete? Some teams improve significantly as the season progresses, while others decline. Championships are won by teams that are playing the best at the end of the season. The teams which beat your so called "best team" might see things differently. |
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