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Post by stumpystew on Jul 31, 2017 17:10:10 GMT
Bevo, that is what I meant. Saban can look all noble and be praised by the talking heads by being so bold, but has the "put at a disadvantage" out now, because it would hurt his program to do it unilaterally. So, he won't be looked down on or punished for proposing this but not doing it. The best of both worlds.
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Post by Bevo on Jul 31, 2017 20:21:55 GMT
Bevo, that is what I meant. Saban can look all noble and be praised by the talking heads by being so bold, but has the "put at a disadvantage" out now, because it would hurt his program to do it unilaterally. So, he won't be looked down on or punished for proposing this but not doing it. The best of both worlds. You're right, of course. It's NEVER going to happen.... And Nick knows it. So, he can safely call for it. But, Nick is being honest about it. It WOULD be a good thing for CFB. And, he could manage it... Easily... As long as everyone else was in the same boat. But, it won't happen.... As you say, because of money. But, you only mentioned HALF of the story. The reason the G5 and lower teams accept AWAY only games is : they make MORE MONEY losing at Bama than they make winning at home. Pure and simple. These unbalanced games are good, financially, for BOTH schools. The only parties that lose out are: the fans. |
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Post by Hero on Jul 31, 2017 20:45:33 GMT
Bevo, that is what I meant. Saban can look all noble and be praised by the talking heads by being so bold, but has the "put at a disadvantage" out now, because it would hurt his program to do it unilaterally. So, he won't be looked down on or punished for proposing this but not doing it. The best of both worlds. You're right, of course. It's NEVER going to happen.... And Nick knows it. So, he can safely call for it. But, Nick is being honest about it. It WOULD be a good thing for CFB. And, he could manage it... Easily... As long as everyone else was in the same boat. But, it won't happen.... As you say, because of money. But, you only mentioned HALF of the story. The reason the G5 and lower teams accept AWAY only games is : they make MORE MONEY losing at Bama than they make winning at home. Pure and simple. These unbalanced games are good, financially, for BOTH schools. The only parties that lose out are: the fans. That is about it in a nutshell. The sad part to me is instead of everyone throwing in with a better idea they would rather talk about Saban. Result- when everything is said and done there is a whole lot said and nothing done. |
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Jul 31, 2017 21:34:50 GMT
But is Saban is a man of his convictions, maybe he should practice what he preaches. Why should he put his own team at a competitive disadvantage? Bama doesn't need "rent-a-wins" to be bowl eligible or to pad their wins to make the CFB. However, getting a couple or extra home games helps in the finances... and, having a couple of "weeks off" saves some wear and tear on his star players, and gives him some time to get back-ups some work. These are all valid competitive reasons to NOT go off and apply this model unilaterally. Either they ALL do it, or no one will do it. Either way, Bama will win. Thank God Steve Jobs was a man who was true to his convictions and didn't listen to people like you. There was no market demand for the iPad, and reasons galore why it wouldn't succeed. No one was encouraging Jobs to take the risk. No other company was about to join him. |
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Jul 31, 2017 21:36:48 GMT
You're right, of course. It's NEVER going to happen.... And Nick knows it. So, he can safely call for it. But, Nick is being honest about it. It WOULD be a good thing for CFB. And, he could manage it... Easily... As long as everyone else was in the same boat. But, it won't happen.... As you say, because of money. But, you only mentioned HALF of the story. The reason the G5 and lower teams accept AWAY only games is : they make MORE MONEY losing at Bama than they make winning at home. Pure and simple. These unbalanced games are good, financially, for BOTH schools. The only parties that lose out are: the fans. That is about it in a nutshell. The sad part to me is instead of everyone throwing in with a better idea they would rather talk about Saban. Result- when everything is said and done there is a whole lot said and nothing done. I have a much better idea, and I haven't been at all timid about discussing it on this forum. |
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Post by Bevo on Aug 1, 2017 4:25:19 GMT
Result- when everything is said and done there is a whole lot said and nothing done. LOL When I worked at Dow, we had a young do-nothing engineer that left us to work at another Division (his Dad was a Major Manager). His going-away gift from the operators was a sign that said: "When all was said and done, a lot more was said than done". Those operators! They really have a wicked sense of humor. :-) |
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Post by Hero on Aug 1, 2017 9:14:54 GMT
That is about it in a nutshell. The sad part to me is instead of everyone throwing in with a better idea they would rather talk about Saban. Result- when everything is said and done there is a whole lot said and nothing done. I have a much better idea, and I haven't been at all timid about discussing it on this forum. And yet you fall into exactly the group I described. |
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Post by Hero on Aug 1, 2017 9:16:32 GMT
Result- when everything is said and done there is a whole lot said and nothing done. LOL When I worked at Dow, we had a young do-nothing engineer that left us to work at another Division (his Dad was a Major Manager). His going-away gift from the operators was a sign that said: "When all was said and done, a lot more was said than done". Those operators! They really have a wicked sense of humor. :-) That is amazing. I wonder what his dad thought when he saw it?  |
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Aug 1, 2017 12:31:45 GMT
I have a much better idea, and I haven't been at all timid about discussing it on this forum. And yet you fall into exactly the group I described. Hero-style logic: I threw in with a better idea, and am in his group that won't throw in with a better idea. Lol. |
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Post by EvilVodka on Aug 2, 2017 14:01:02 GMT
the problem is you have about 10-20 programs outside the P5 that could be included...
Houston
South Florida
BYU
Cincinnati
UConn
Those schools are better than some P5 schools
If you add 1 or 2 more leagues and expand the playoffs to 8, well then you have a good structure
Utah, TCU, and Louisville all used to be on the outside, and they thrive in the P5. If this sport is about competition, you have to have a way for budding schools like Boise State, South Florida, and Western Kentucky a pathway to the championship
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Post by Bevo on Aug 2, 2017 15:45:40 GMT
the problem is you have about 10-20 programs outside the P5 that could be included... Houston South Florida BYU Cincinnati UConn Those schools are better than some P5 schools If you add 1 or 2 more leagues and expand the playoffs to 8, well then you have a good structure Utah, TCU, and Louisville all used to be on the outside, and they thrive in the P5. If this sport is about competition, you have to have a way for budding schools like Boise State, South Florida, and Western Kentucky a pathway to the championship thats not a problem at all. They can compete in the G5 playoffs. If they continue to excel, maybe they eventually replace a P5 team, or some P5 Conf takes them in expansion. In a sport where competition occurs once a week, it makes sense to have a reasonable limit on the number of teams competing in a given division. It also makes perfect sense to set Divisions based on similar levels of resources. |
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Post by EvilVodka on Aug 2, 2017 21:06:05 GMT
the problem is you have about 10-20 programs outside the P5 that could be included... Houston South Florida BYU Cincinnati UConn Those schools are better than some P5 schools If you add 1 or 2 more leagues and expand the playoffs to 8, well then you have a good structure Utah, TCU, and Louisville all used to be on the outside, and they thrive in the P5. If this sport is about competition, you have to have a way for budding schools like Boise State, South Florida, and Western Kentucky a pathway to the championship thats not a problem at all. They can compete in the G5 playoffs. If they continue to excel, maybe they eventually replace a P5 team, or some P5 Conf takes them in expansion. In a sport where competition occurs once a week, it makes sense to have a reasonable limit on the number of teams competing in a given division. It also makes perfect sense to set Divisions based on similar levels of resources. They need to be part of P5 P6 |
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Post by Hero on Aug 3, 2017 11:53:45 GMT
the problem is you have about 10-20 programs outside the P5 that could be included... Houston South Florida BYU Cincinnati UConn Those schools are better than some P5 schools If you add 1 or 2 more leagues and expand the playoffs to 8, well then you have a good structure Utah, TCU, and Louisville all used to be on the outside, and they thrive in the P5. If this sport is about competition, you have to have a way for budding schools like Boise State, South Florida, and Western Kentucky a pathway to the championship I think 80 teams in the division(which could be 5-16 team conferences). 60-80 with 8 in the playoffs. 5 champions with 3 at large. |
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