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Post by Bevo on Nov 29, 2017 16:17:31 GMT
The power ranking on ESPN's web site shows Bama having a BETTER SOS than Ohio State. There are oodles of assorted SOS rankings out there. Of course ESPN is going to pick one out that supports its agenda. Beware of ESPN yea... I noticed that Sagarin shows OSU having a higher SOS. You would THINK people could agree on SOS. I guess not.
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Post by Kentflash_05 on Nov 29, 2017 16:33:39 GMT
Kirby Hocutt" very little separation between teams 5(Alabama) through 8(Ohio State) this week the commitee thought Alabama was the better team, if Ohio State beats Wisconsin will that change I don't know. College commitee playoff chair Kirby Hocutt
You can't simply dismiss the fact about the College Basketabll commitee changing thier criteria every year, because by and large the commitee is the same way college football picks thier playoff teams, moods change, attitudes change, that's why to get back to the original post about structure on this board the CFP needs a structure.
A good starting point would be as long as the CFP is 4 teams you NEED to win your conference title going forward. The College Football Playoff Committee left the door wide open by saying the separation is "very slim" to them justifying Ohio State jumping Alabama
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Post by Bevo on Nov 29, 2017 16:43:51 GMT
A good starting point would be as long as the CFP is 4 teams you NEED to win your conference title going forward. That can't happen because of the gross unfairness in the scheduling in the bloated mega-conferences. You could easily have a team like Kentucky, lose 4 games, still win the SEC, and then luck up and beat a top SEC West team. The CFP does NOT want a 4-loss lucky team in the final four. That's one of the reasons they agreed on a committee approach. To stop that kind of crap.
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Post by EvilVodka on Nov 30, 2017 4:20:59 GMT
Alabama needs Oklahoma to lose; I don't think TCU or the Pac 12 champ can pass Alabama. I do think a 13th data point, a win against an undefeated team, and a championship would most likely vault tOSU over Alabama. That being said, I think both Wisconsin and Oklahoma win and the committee has an easy job. I kind of think if TCU beats Oklahoma, you'll start seeing support for them to get in
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Post by EvilVodka on Nov 30, 2017 4:33:42 GMT
The problem with Ohio State is the Iowa loss...that is an ass-whooping to a mediocre team. That is not going to magically disappear
One problem with Alabama though, that no one is talking about, is the fact that I don't really think the committee or the P5 conferences want to see two teams from the same conference. With Ohio State and Penn State last year, it worked (albeit very stupidly) because you still just had one B1G team in. Alabama getting in, especially if Auburn wins, can rock the boat and even set up a rematch
The committee was stupid last year to get away from the conf championship as one of the leading factors in determining the playoff teams
I still think they should look at USC if they beat Stanford
Alabama's only hope is if Wisconsin loses though...it would help the Crimson Tide if Auburn won the SEC and Fresno State won the Mountain West. Those games are crucial for Alabama's schedule
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Post by bluehen on Nov 30, 2017 5:33:31 GMT
Kirby Hocutt" very little separation between teams 5(Alabama) through 8(Ohio State) this week the commitee thought Alabama was the better team, if Ohio State beats Wisconsin will that change I don't know. College commitee playoff chair Kirby Hocutt You can't simply dismiss the fact about the College Basketabll commitee changing thier criteria every year, because by and large the commitee is the same way college football picks thier playoff teams, moods change, attitudes change, that's why to get back to the original post about structure on this board the CFP needs a structure. A good starting point would be as long as the CFP is 4 teams you NEED to win your conference title going forward. The College Football Playoff Committee left the door wide open by saying the separation is "very slim" to them justifying Ohio State jumping Alabama Just common sense. If teams are punished for winning something during the regular season like division and/or league systems and other teams are rewarded for winning nothing during the regular season..well, that 100000% debunks the whopper myth that big time College football's regular season is the most meaningful in sports....super duper mega whopper myth.
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Post by Hero on Nov 30, 2017 8:31:18 GMT
Last year it wasn't important so Ohio State could be included and this year it is important so Ohio State can be included. I think they are trying to tell us something. Don't forget though Alabama has won a national title without winning it's conference title before and that was at best kinda shady. Look if you want to say Conference Titles matter in a 4 team Playoff I'm all for it, but make that a standard. Playoff teams must win thier conference's to make the playoff There are neither rules nor clarity. Only another poll with very few voters.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Dec 1, 2017 5:55:05 GMT
A good starting point would be as long as the CFP is 4 teams you NEED to win your conference title going forward. That can't happen because of the gross unfairness in the scheduling in the bloated mega-conferences. You could easily have a team like Kentucky, lose 4 games, still win the SEC, and then luck up and beat a top SEC West team. The CFP does NOT want a 4-loss lucky team in the final four. That's one of the reasons they agreed on a committee approach. To stop that kind of crap. What if the 4-loss team is the best team by the end of the season? Playoffs are designed to determine the best team, and not the best “resume” or “best schedule”.
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Post by Bevo on Dec 1, 2017 14:05:52 GMT
What if the 4-loss team is the best team by the end of the season? Playoffs are designed to determine the best team, and not the best “resume” or “best schedule”. Playoffs definitely do NOT determine a "best team". They simply determine a winner of a specifically defined competition. FBS level football National Champions have always had a slightly different measure. It's more of a season-long accomplishment. Recognition of the team that has done the most, over the course of the season. We used to just vote on only that. Then, they slowly added a method of having 1-2 of the "top teams" play on the field for the final crown. Now, it's 4 teams. Having the very limited field keeps in place much of the "traditional" feeling. I've thought often of an example like: What about a team who starts a season poorly, loses 3 OOC games, maybe even a conference game... then, changes to a start frosh QB and maybe RB, and reel off 8 wins, finish the season playing great, and could likely whip anyone. Should they be in the CFP over a team that is an 11-1 Champion in a different conference? NO! Entrance to the CFP is a reward for overall season accomplishment. Teams must EARN the right to be included, and overall record is a big factor.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Dec 2, 2017 10:53:08 GMT
What if the 4-loss team is the best team by the end of the season? Playoffs are designed to determine the best team, and not the best “resume” or “best schedule”. Playoffs definitely do NOT determine a "best team". They simply determine a winner of a specifically defined competition. Sure. And the moon really is made of green cheese. Empty rhetoric. I suppose that it might be possible if key players for a better team are involved in a betting scandal, and intentionally make their team lose, a la the Black Sox. Other than such circumstance, can you prove the the winner of any NCAA championship playoff or CFP has not been the best team?
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Post by Bevo on Dec 2, 2017 17:16:01 GMT
Playoffs definitely do NOT determine a "best team". They simply determine a winner of a specifically defined competition. Other than such circumstance, can you prove the the winner of any NCAA championship playoff or CFP has not been the best team? There are plenty of examples. It's pretty small-minded to think the ONLY way to judge the overall talent and quality of one team vs another is the final score of a one-time competition. There's a reason some outcomes are called "upsets". It's because, the general consensus among the fans is: The "better team" lost. There are LOTS of other data points to consider. Things like, HOW the teams played against other competition before their matchup, maybe AFTER their matchup. One can evaluate the individual performance of the various players before, and AFTER the competition. It's not that hard, and I'm SURE that you understand this concept. Games during a WINNER... not the BEST team.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Dec 4, 2017 5:18:29 GMT
You say that there are plenty of examples, yet you didn’t - or couldn’t - cite a single one.
The winner of a game has proved that it was the best team - on the day the two teams played.
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Post by tigercpa on Dec 4, 2017 10:26:57 GMT
That can't happen because of the gross unfairness in the scheduling in the bloated mega-conferences. You could easily have a team like Kentucky, lose 4 games, still win the SEC, and then luck up and beat a top SEC West team. The CFP does NOT want a 4-loss lucky team in the final four. That's one of the reasons they agreed on a committee approach. To stop that kind of crap. What if the 4-loss team is the best team by the end of the season? Playoffs are designed to determine the best team, and not the best “resume” or “best schedule”. Your question is self contradictory. A 4 loss team would never be the best team. They might be ranked highly in a power rankong though .
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Dec 4, 2017 13:24:47 GMT
Wrong!
While it is highly unlikely that a 4-loss team could win an inclusive (16 team) FBS playoff, history has taught us that teams are anything but static over the course of a season. Some improve dramatically. Some regress dramatically. Villanova and NC State basketball proved that teams that struggle earlier in the season can evolve as the season progresses, and gel into powerhouses by the end of the season.
The beauty of an inclusive 16-team playoff system, sanctioned and administered by the governing body, is that the chances of the best team not being permitted to compete for the championship are slim. We will never know whether or not Ohio State is the best team in FBS this season. Or, for that matter, UCF.
If championship playoffs do not determine which, from among the chosen field of competitors, is the best team, then what is the purpose?
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Post by bluehen on Dec 4, 2017 13:25:32 GMT
What if the 4-loss team is the best team by the end of the season? Playoffs are designed to determine the best team, and not the best “resume” or “best schedule”. Playoffs definitely do NOT determine a "best team". They simply determine a winner of a specifically defined competition. FBS level football National Champions have always had a slightly different measure. It's more of a season-long accomplishment. Recognition of the team that has done the most, over the course of the season. We used to just vote on only that. Then, they slowly added a method of having 1-2 of the "top teams" play on the field for the final crown. Now, it's 4 teams. Having the very limited field keeps in place much of the "traditional" feeling. I've thought often of an example like: What about a team who starts a season poorly, loses 3 OOC games, maybe even a conference game... then, changes to a start frosh QB and maybe RB, and reel off 8 wins, finish the season playing great, and could likely whip anyone. Should they be in the CFP over a team that is an 11-1 Champion in a different conference? NO! Entrance to the CFP is a reward for overall season accomplishment. Teams must EARN the right to be included, and overall record is a big factor. Ok so a team's season accomplishments aren't good enough to earn a division championship within a conference but are good enough to make a 4 team playoff " ? Hard to find logic in that. I 'm not taking OSU/Bama sides. As Casey Stengel once said "I've made up my mind both ways". Both teams would have made dandy 'at large' entries to compete for an FBS championship if FBS had a national championship ( that's the problem )
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