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Post by bluehen on Dec 5, 2017 22:08:56 GMT
that all the major conference champions that have been excluded from the Dr.Pepper Invitational over its 4 year history played in leagues with 9 game conference schedules ? Cowardly scheduling is trending to be an ingredient in making the Invitational.
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Post by tigercpa on Dec 5, 2017 23:15:32 GMT
that all the major conference champions that have been excluded from the Dr.Pepper Invitational over its 4 year history played in leagues with 9 game conference schedules ? Cowardly scheduling is trending to be an ingredient in making the Invitational. Not to rain on your parade, but 15 out of the 16 teams have been in the top 4 SOR in the 1st four years of the FBS playoff. OSU 2014 was #6.
Lose as few games as you can, relative to your peers, and play a strong schedule...that's the ticket in a nutshell.
In terms of SOS (avg of 4 playoff teams):
2014 - 28 (OSU worst #47) 2015 - 24 (MSU #44) 2016 - 29 (Washington #55) 2017 - 23 (Bama #47)
In terms of GC (avg):
2014 - 9 (FSU worst #26)
2015 - 5 (MSU #14)
2016 - 3 (OSU #5)
2017 - 4 (OKLA #6)
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Post by bluehen on Dec 6, 2017 13:09:26 GMT
What SOS ? There is a plethora of SOS ranking systems out there. What's the official SOS system of the Cartel's Invitational ?
Also, wins-losses are a huge factor as you state and playing more conference games rather than rent-a-wins obviously leads to more losses...that's an automatic 12 more losses in a 12 team conference, 14 more losses in a 14 team conference etc. Are you seriously suggesting that playing a 9 game conference slate ( vs an 8 ) is not a disadvantage regarding being invited to the DPI ?
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Post by tigercpa on Dec 6, 2017 14:32:25 GMT
What SOS ? There is a plethora of SOS ranking systems out there. What's the official SOS system of the Cartel's Invitational ? Also, wins-losses are a huge factor as you state and playing more conference games rather than rent-a-wins obviously leads to more losses...that's an automatic 12 more losses in a 12 team conference, 14 more losses in a 14 team conference etc. Are you seriously suggesting that playing a 9 game conference slate ( vs an 8 ) is not a disadvantage regarding being invited to the DPI ? That's stretch...you're saying every team will loose an added 9th conference game?
The cte. has access to lots of data points.
I looked at Sagarin, Massey, Anderson for SOS ranks - all directionally the same Clem 1-1-1, GA 3-2-2, OK 2-3-3, Bama 4-4-4
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Post by Bevo on Dec 6, 2017 15:08:53 GMT
you're saying every team will loose an added 9th conference game? One conference team will. |
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Post by tigercpa on Dec 6, 2017 15:43:13 GMT
you're saying every team will loose an added 9th conference game? One conference team will. Yep, by definition if yu add 12 conference games, 6 will win and 6 will lose. Not by merely changing the oppponents form rent-a-wins to conference games. Adding a conference game could not result in 12 automatic losses. in a 12 team conference. |
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Post by bluehen on Dec 8, 2017 15:40:03 GMT
What SOS ? There is a plethora of SOS ranking systems out there. What's the official SOS system of the Cartel's Invitational ? Also, wins-losses are a huge factor as you state and playing more conference games rather than rent-a-wins obviously leads to more losses...that's an automatic 12 more losses in a 12 team conference, 14 more losses in a 14 team conference etc. Are you seriously suggesting that playing a 9 game conference slate ( vs an 8 ) is not a disadvantage regarding being invited to the DPI ? That's stretch...you're saying every team will loose an added 9th conference game?
The cte. has access to lots of data points.
I looked at Sagarin, Massey, Anderson for SOS ranks - all directionally the same Clem 1-1-1, GA 3-2-2, OK 2-3-3, Bama 4-4-4
No just stating that all conferences will have more collective losses by playing more conference game. Everyone one of those 9th conference games is guaranteeing a loss for one of the conference teams. I say shame, shame shame on the ACC and SEC for only playing 57% of its conference members in a season and in the SEC's case the NEED to play an entire 25% of its OOC games in a lower division. This is both cowardly and smart given the mythical system and bowl eligibility.
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Post by Hero on Dec 8, 2017 15:59:40 GMT
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Post by Bevo on Dec 8, 2017 16:55:52 GMT
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Post by tigercpa on Dec 8, 2017 18:56:33 GMT
That's stretch...you're saying every team will loose an added 9th conference game?
The cte. has access to lots of data points.
I looked at Sagarin, Massey, Anderson for SOS ranks - all directionally the same Clem 1-1-1, GA 3-2-2, OK 2-3-3, Bama 4-4-4
No just stating that all conferences will have more collective losses by playing more conference game. Everyone one of those 9th conference games is guaranteeing a loss for one of the conference teams. I say shame, shame shame on the ACC and SEC for only playing 57% of its schedule vs conference competition...no way around 'cowardly".
8 out of 12 is 67%, probably a typo. Clemson's OCC features 2 SEC teams each year and has for some time. Last 2 years - 3. Auburn rolls off and we pick up a home-and-home with Texas A&M. Notre Dame comes on in 2019 and 2020. I'd rather play SEC teams than add Duke or UNC. So "conference" is just a label.... |
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Post by bluehen on Dec 8, 2017 22:12:07 GMT
What SOS ? There is a plethora of SOS ranking systems out there. What's the official SOS system of the Cartel's Invitational ? Also, wins-losses are a huge factor as you state and playing more conference games rather than rent-a-wins obviously leads to more losses...that's an automatic 12 more losses in a 12 team conference, 14 more losses in a 14 team conference etc. Are you seriously suggesting that playing a 9 game conference slate ( vs an 8 ) is not a disadvantage regarding being invited to the DPI ? That's stretch...you're saying every team will loose an added 9th conference game?
The cte. has access to lots of data points.
I looked at Sagarin, Massey, Anderson for SOS ranks - all directionally the same Clem 1-1-1, GA 3-2-2, OK 2-3-3, Bama 4-4-4
which is the official SOS system used by the committee and ESPN ?
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Post by bluehen on Dec 8, 2017 22:22:16 GMT
8 out of 12 is 67%, probably a typo. Clemson's OCC features 2 SEC teams each year and has for some time. Last 2 years - 3. Auburn rolls off and we pick up a home-and-home with Texas A&M. Notre Dame comes on in 2019 and 2020. I'd rather play SEC teams than add Duke or UNC. So "conference" is just a label.... Right, CPA. dumb math. I should have stated that 8 conference games represents playing only 61.5% of the fellow conference members in a season ( 8/13). Compare that with conferences that aren't so cowardly. |
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Post by tigercpa on Dec 8, 2017 22:43:51 GMT
8 out of 12 is 67%, probably a typo. Clemson's OCC features 2 SEC teams each year and has for some time. Last 2 years - 3. Auburn rolls off and we pick up a home-and-home with Texas A&M. Notre Dame comes on in 2019 and 2020. I'd rather play SEC teams than add Duke or UNC. So "conference" is just a label.... Right, CPA. dumb math. I should have stated that 8 conference games represents playing only 61.5% of the fellow conference members in a season ( 8/13). Compare that with conferences that aren't so cowardly. Let's go with 8/12, since only two teams play in the CCG. That's not open to the conference as a whole and should not be counted as a regular game.
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Post by bluehen on Dec 9, 2017 14:15:11 GMT
Right, CPA. dumb math. I should have stated that 8 conference games represents playing only 61.5% of the fellow conference members in a season ( 8/13). Compare that with conferences that aren't so cowardly. Let's go with 8/12, since only two teams play in the CCG. That's not open to the conference as a whole and should not be counted as a regular game.
no, I was referring to the number of conference members -14, not games. An SEC team ( or ACC team) plays only 8 times vs the other remaining 13 members of the conference ......8/13 so only 61.5 % The B10 plays 69% of its league The P12 plays 82% of its league The B12 plays 100% of its league. the SEC plays 61.5% of its league - no good. cowardly, smart. |
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Post by tigercpa on Dec 9, 2017 15:36:29 GMT
Let's go with 8/12, since only two teams play in the CCG. That's not open to the conference as a whole and should not be counted as a regular game.
no, I was referring to the number of conference members -14, not games. An SEC team ( or ACC team) plays only 8 times vs the other remaining 13 members of the conference ......8/13 so only 61.5 % The B10 plays 69% of its league The P12 plays 82% of its league The B12 plays 100% of its league. the SEC plays 61.5% of its league - no good. cowardly, smart. Gotcha.
Again, I'd rather see Clemson play Auburn/Bama/TX/USC than add Duke as a "conference" game.
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