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Post by Bevo on Dec 6, 2017 15:41:00 GMT
www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21677799/peyton-manning-charles-woodson-randy-moss-1997-heisman-trophyPretty interesting article about the greatest Heisman class ever?? From 20 years ago. That was the year when, the Heisman went OUT OF ITS WAY to snub Peyton Manning, who was... IMO, one the most deserving Finalists ever. I never doubted the greatness of Charles Woodson. But, for all of my life, the Heisman had ALWAYS been given to the best Qb or RB. For sure, it wasn't defined that way. But, that had always been the reality. Changing the status quo, just to deny Peyton, seemed outrageous to me. Frankly, I quit giving even the slightest damn about the Heisman trophy after that year. Now, 20 years later, I find it funny to read about it, and remember that there was another GREAT player in the Final Four: Randy Moss. I had completely forgotten. Maybe, the voters missed the ACTUAL "Best Player", and it wasn't Manning OR Woodson? Given those three, I guess that couldn't really go wrong. What a class group that was.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Dec 6, 2017 18:49:01 GMT
It wasn’t either. It was Randy Moss.
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Post by Bevo on Dec 6, 2017 19:00:44 GMT
It wasn’t either. It was Randy Moss. Um... Yea, that's what I was suggesting. life would sure be easier on here if you would READ the post before arguing with them.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Dec 6, 2017 21:02:04 GMT
It wasn’t either (Woodson or Manning). It was Moss.
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Post by Bevo on Dec 6, 2017 21:40:26 GMT
It wasn’t either (Woodson or Manning). It was Moss. And how were voters supposed to know that?
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Dec 7, 2017 0:26:10 GMT
It wasn’t either (Woodson or Manning). It was Moss. And how were voters supposed to know that? A case could be made for each of the 3, and all 3 went on to distinguished NFL careers. Not so for the other finalist, Ryan Leaf. Leaf was #2 in the draft, but was a total bust in the NFL.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Dec 7, 2017 1:08:21 GMT
Coincidentally, I just now read this on Twitter:
Randy Moss on '97 Heisman: "You’re looking at 3 of the top 4 guys as finalists that will go down as some of the all-time greats, if not the greatest, at their position to ever play. That’s why it’s special to me. I think it’s special to Charles. I think it’s special to Peyton."
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Post by doc on Dec 7, 2017 14:14:41 GMT
Several other times they should have bucked the trend...
1996 - Orlando Pace finished 4th behind Danny Weurffel, Troy Davis and Jake Plummer - Pace just entered the NFL HOF, not sure what happened to the other guys. Pace was probably the most dominating offensive lineman since John Hannah in college. Never allowed a sack and made the term 'pancake' a common phrase.
2009 - not sure how you spell his first name but Suh from Nebraska was unstoppable. I believe he finished 4th but he was certainly worthy of winning. He have lost to Mark Ingram, Toby Gerhart and Colt McCoy also finished ahead of him.
There have also been some schlubs get it through the years but I think that's because it's more about stats than who actually is the 'most outstanding player'.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Dec 7, 2017 15:15:59 GMT
I was also thinking about Suh. He was head and shoulders above anyone else.
Good call on Orlando Pace. He likewise deserved to win.
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Post by Bevo on Dec 7, 2017 15:47:39 GMT
I was also thinking about Suh. He was head and shoulders above anyone else. Good call on Orlando Pace. He likewise deserved to win. LOL on a fat offensive lineman being the Heisman Winner. in fact, ROFLMAO!! Of course, there are plenty of examples for O Lineman who were the most 'Outstanding Player'... but, that's not how it has always been. It's been the "best OFFENSIVE player". To this day, the ONLY exception was for Woodson, and I think, only because the cabal didn't want to award Peyton. Suh single-handedly destroyed the Texas Longhorns... I think he would have gotten a few Heisman votes from Austin.
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Post by jameshowell on Dec 7, 2017 16:21:48 GMT
What about 1982 that included:
1) Herschel Walker 2) John Elway 3) Eric Dickerson 4) Anthony Carter 6) Todd Blackledge 8) Tony Eason 9) Dan Marino
Elway, Blackledge, Eason, and Marino (along with Jim Kelly and Ken O'Brien) - all QBs - were drafted in the first round the following year.
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Post by doc on Dec 7, 2017 18:49:41 GMT
I was also thinking about Suh. He was head and shoulders above anyone else. Good call on Orlando Pace. He likewise deserved to win. LOL on a fat offensive lineman being the Heisman Winner. in fact, ROFLMAO!! Of course, there are plenty of examples for O Lineman who were the most 'Outstanding Player'... but, that's not how it has always been. It's been the "best OFFENSIVE player". To this day, the ONLY exception was for Woodson, and I think, only because the cabal didn't want to award Peyton. Suh single-handedly destroyed the Texas Longhorns... I think he would have gotten a few Heisman votes from Austin. The Heisman Memorial Trophy annually recognizes the outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity. The winners of the trophy epitomize great ability combined with diligence, perseverance, and hard work. These aren't my words, this is from the Heisman Trophy site. No where does it say fat, offensive linemen are ineligible! It does mention integrity but I guess they've let that slide more than a few times. Anyway, Orlando Pace was a once in a generation player - he finished 4th in the voting behind 3 guys who basically disappeared shortly after turning pro. And Orlando was far from a fat lineman, anyway -the guy was tremendously athletic.
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Post by Bevo on Dec 7, 2017 22:21:50 GMT
No where does it say fat, offensive linemen are ineligible! I know... but, take a look at the list of winners. There ain't no offensive linemen... and, only ONE Defensive player. There's "What's SAID", and then there's "What IS". Things like that drive me crazy. Not as crazy as they used to. As a former lineman, I would welcome seeing a brethren win. Eventually, we had to invent our own awards.
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Post by EvilVodka on Dec 8, 2017 15:09:06 GMT
The Heisman tends to whiff a lot
If any defensive back should have won it, it should have been Deion Sanders
Honestly why don't we have "Best Defensive Player" award?
Payton Manning or Randy Moss should have won it in 1997
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Post by jameshowell on Dec 8, 2017 15:12:52 GMT
It would be better to require a majority vote to win. After the (first round of) voting, put the top five candidates out there. After each successive vote, if the top vote getter does have a majority, eliminate the lowest candidate and revote.
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