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Post by Bevo on Aug 8, 2024 19:47:06 GMT
I would be pretty happy if I had a daughter who was the runner-up for the national swimming title. Although, I'd hate it if she lost out t o a dude. That's something that fixable. If we have any leadership with a lick of common sense. This conversation started with you calling a woman a man solely because of how they look. Now you’re rambling about some hypothetical situation where either my daughter or your daughter loses to a man? How is that even relevant or related? This is weird dude. because it's happened.. with Lia Thomas. And the people you support, support this. That's what's weird.
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Post by aufan on Aug 8, 2024 19:53:01 GMT
This conversation started with you calling a woman a man solely because of how they look. Now you’re rambling about some hypothetical situation where either my daughter or your daughter loses to a man? How is that even relevant or related? This is weird dude. because it's happened.. with Lia Thomas. And the people you support, support this. That's what's weird. So a complete straw man that isn’t even related to the topic at hand. You’ve lost it man. Anyways, remind me where Lia Thomas finished in the Olympics.
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Post by Bevo on Aug 8, 2024 23:29:26 GMT
Oh, the Olympic ‘woman/man’ will probably win the Gold Medal tomorrow. What a PROUD day.
It’s just wrong man. Why can’t you see that?
Are you so committed to ideology that you can’t see the injustice of this?
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Post by Bevo on Aug 9, 2024 3:01:30 GMT
So you think the reversal of Roe v Wade which puts the decision back to the state level equates to 4th graders being forced to give birth.
Hard to think that you don't have hate in your heart when you constantly refer to those who disagree with you as stupid, idiot, misinformed sheep, mega-trash.... A ten year old had to travel out of state from Ohio to receive an abortion after Roe v Wade. MAGA laws did this to a ten year old. Yet you guys are worried about ten year olds having tampons. Backward priorities. The laws of Ohio have since changed, making that kind of situation impossible. Maybe, you missed it? MAGA laws supported letting States decide how they want to deal with abortion. You probably forgot, but about 2 years ago.. I told you, States would be moderating the laws that they reverted to when Roe v Wade was overturned. Opinions now are much different than they were in 1974. THAT is democracy in action. The SCOTUS hijacked the process 50 years ago. Now, we're catching up with the rest of the world. The people will get what they want on abortion.. or, their elected leaders will be voted out.
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Post by aufan on Aug 9, 2024 5:39:13 GMT
Oh, the Olympic ‘woman/man’ will probably win the Gold Medal tomorrow. What a PROUD day. It’s just wrong man. Why can’t you see that? Are you so committed to ideology that you can’t see the injustice of this? She is woman, you are mixing your bigotry when you bring up your hatred for trans. This has nothing to do with trans competing in the Olympics, and your straw man of Lia Thomas wasn’t allowed to compete in the Olympics. Imane comes from Algeria, a Muslim country. You are more misogynistic than conservative Islam. And you’re calling on feminists to agree with you? How ignorant can you be?
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Post by aufan on Aug 9, 2024 5:46:52 GMT
A ten year old had to travel out of state from Ohio to receive an abortion after Roe v Wade. MAGA laws did this to a ten year old. Yet you guys are worried about ten year olds having tampons. Backward priorities. The laws of Ohio have since changed, making that kind of situation impossible. Maybe, you missed it? MAGA laws supported letting States decide how they want to deal with abortion. You probably forgot, but about 2 years ago.. I told you, States would be moderating the laws that they reverted to when Roe v Wade was overturned. Opinions now are much different than they were in 1974. THAT is democracy in action. The SCOTUS hijacked the process 5 years ago. Now, we're catching up with the rest of the world. The people will get what they want on abortion.. or, their elected leaders will be voted out. And remember I dismantled this argument to the point everyone stopped responding. I can do it again, but that isn’t the topic at hand. My response is more narrow on focus. You guys were criticizing the democratic VP candidate. I respond that I prefer them to the MAGA-trash VP candidate. To be more specific on the point: “I certainly would like abortion to be illegal nationally,” Vance said in January 2022 on a podcast when running for Senate. amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/07/17/politics/kfile-jd-vance-abortion-commentsSo when you criticize the democrat VP candidate for giving 4th graders tampons, I will criticize the MAGA-trash VP candidate for wanting to force 4th graders to give birth.
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Post by tigercpa on Aug 9, 2024 13:25:14 GMT
Oh, the Olympic ‘woman/man’ will probably win the Gold Medal tomorrow. What a PROUD day. It’s just wrong man. Why can’t you see that? Are you so committed to ideology that you can’t see the injustice of this? She is woman, you are mixing your bigotry when you bring up your hatred for trans. This has nothing to do with trans competing in the Olympics, and your straw man of Lia Thomas wasn’t allowed to compete in the Olympics. Imane comes from Algeria, a Muslim country. You are more misogynistic than conservative Islam. And you’re calling on feminists to agree with you? How ignorant can you be? Why are you being so obtuse?/ Is it deliberate?
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Post by Bevo on Aug 10, 2024 18:26:59 GMT
Spoiler alert!!
Both of the “women” with XY chromosomes win Gold Medals at boxing.
Maybe? The Olympics should look to their swimming regulators as a guide to tell who should and shouldn’t compete in the women’s category. Passport sex ID? No. Genetic and hormone testing? Yes
When have I ever expressed a “hatred for trans”. I have none. They have a hard enough time in life without any hatred from me, or anyone. I am just about fairness in sporting competition for women.
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Post by aufan on Aug 10, 2024 20:04:04 GMT
Spoiler alert!! Both of the “women” with XY chromosomes win Gold Medals at boxing. Maybe? The Olympics should look to their swimming regulators as a guide to tell who should and shouldn’t compete in the women’s category. Passport sex ID? No. Genetic and hormone testing? Yes When have I ever expressed a “hatred for trans”. I have none. They have a hard enough time in life without any hatred from me, or anyone. I am just about fairness in sporting competition for women. Nobody, not even the IOC, are calling them men. The only exception is MAGA-trash. I have noticed you have walked back you calling them men. Originally you wanted these females banned from women’s sports based on how they looked. This is textbook bigotry and the opposite of protecting female sports. Meanwhile, can you provide a single source that claims these boxers are men, aside from the IOC saying “read between the lines”? The IOC who has said that they are women? Here is a spoiler for you, since you’re not great at history: Every bigot in history defended their bigotry by saying they were protecting the people they were discriminating against.
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Post by Bevo on Aug 10, 2024 20:43:46 GMT
Spoiler alert!! Both of the “women” with XY chromosomes win Gold Medals at boxing. Maybe? The Olympics should look to their swimming regulators as a guide to tell who should and shouldn’t compete in the women’s category. Passport sex ID? No. Genetic and hormone testing? Yes When have I ever expressed a “hatred for trans”. I have none. They have a hard enough time in life without any hatred from me, or anyone. I am just about fairness in sporting competition for women. Nobody, not even the IOC, are calling them men. The only exception is MAGA-trash. I have noticed you have walked back you calling them men. Originally you wanted these females banned from women’s sports based on how they looked. This is textbook bigotry and the opposite of protecting female sports. Meanwhile, can you provide a single source that claims these boxers are men, aside from the IOC saying “read between the lines”? The IOC who has said that they are women? Here is a spoiler for you, since you’re not great at history: Every bigot in history defended their bigotry by saying they were protecting the people they were discriminating against. We're living in the Brave New World where it's no longer as simple as being a "man or a woman". Chromosomes are a good place to start though. The swimming committee seems to have a decent way for figuring out who should be playing sports as a woman. Let's ask them. If watching someone who looks like a man beat a woman so hard she starts crying in less than a minute makes be a bigot? Then the word has lost all meaning.
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Post by Bevo on Aug 10, 2024 23:53:50 GMT
The head of the IOC boxing commission just said, literally, that they go by the “established rules” for determining age and sex. That is, what’s on the passport.
Are you accepting this as an adequate way to determine eligibility?
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Post by aufan on Aug 11, 2024 8:56:08 GMT
Nobody, not even the IOC, are calling them men. The only exception is MAGA-trash. I have noticed you have walked back you calling them men. Originally you wanted these females banned from women’s sports based on how they looked. This is textbook bigotry and the opposite of protecting female sports. Meanwhile, can you provide a single source that claims these boxers are men, aside from the IOC saying “read between the lines”? The IOC who has said that they are women? Here is a spoiler for you, since you’re not great at history: Every bigot in history defended their bigotry by saying they were protecting the people they were discriminating against. We're living in the Brave New World where it's no longer as simple as being a "man or a woman". Chromosomes are a good place to start though. The swimming committee seems to have a decent way for figuring out who should be playing sports as a woman. Let's ask them. If watching someone who looks like a man beat a woman so hard she starts crying in less than a minute makes be a bigot? Then the word has lost all meaning. Yes, judging someone and disqualifying them solely based on their looks is bigotry. If it is as simple as being a “man or woman”, which is Imane, man or woman? You still haven’t answered this question without some qualifier. Do you know that swimming doesn’t outright ban competitors with a Y chromosome? You’re so ignorant you don’t even know your own position, so you contradict yourself in these two statements (and many others): Here’s a starter; if you have a dick, you shower and go to the bathroom with the boys. If you have a Y chromosome, you compete against boys. The swimming committee seems to have a decent way for figuring out who should be playing sports as a woman. Let's ask them. You’re an ignorant bigot. I am not saying this as an insult, I’m saying it as matter of fact. You don’t even understand your own argument or current rules, but want to ban someone from a sport based on the way they look. By the way, you don’t even know what test Imane failed. You’re basing this on the IBA saying “read between the lines”. Here are the lines: Imane beats undefeated Russian boxer Azalia Amineva and then is banned 3 days later by Russian headed IBA, restoring Azalia’s undefeated record.
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Post by Bevo on Aug 11, 2024 17:34:25 GMT
If it is as simple as being a “man or woman”, which is Imane, man or woman? You still haven’t answered this question without some qualifier. I literally just said, "it's no longer as simple as being a "man or a woman". That's why I haven't answered your question. Do you know that swimming doesn’t outright ban competitors with a Y chromosome? You’re so ignorant you don’t even know your own position, so you contradict yourself in these two statements (and many others): You really get overly combative and derogatory when you're losing an argument. I never claimed to know how the swimming people do their testing. The fact that they excluded Lia Thomas gives me some confidence that they might be doing something right. If Thomas were a boxer, I guess she could compete. I'm sure the US allowed her to get an "F" on her passport. Look, it's a complicated issue. I get that. There are privacy concerns to deal with. But there are also REAL competitive advantages for biological males that require some sort of standard to maintain the fairness of women's sports. Here is an article that looks at the issue with a bit more maturity than you've shown: apnews.com/article/sex-eligibility-tests-female-athletes-07572d23d409126a8e069cb0bced1706This article implies that the swimming people ARE looking at XY, or at least asking for verifiucation: World Aquatics is not actively testing junior athletes. The first step for athletes is that national swim federations “certify their chromosomal sex.”But, they also take into account whether the athlete went through puberty as a male, and look directly testosterone levels in the blood. Those seem like decent guidelines to me. I was being overly simple before when I said "if they have a dick, go to men's restrooms". If a dude with a penis is dressing like a woman, and presenting as a woman, I don't guess there's a problem with them going to women's restrooms, where they can be discreet. I do NOT think they should be standing in a shower, with full male genitalia, around other women. That is just rude to the other women. There have to be better answers than that. I suppose the same could be said about having XY Chromosomes. If the person were taking drugs to suppress testosterone starting even before puberty, and never got the normal physical male enhancement, maybe they could compete. But that would be VERY hard to prove. By the way, you don’t even know what test Imane failed. You’re basing this on the IBA saying “read between the lines”. Here are the lines: Imane beats undefeated Russian boxer Azalia Amineva and then is banned 3 days later by Russian headed IBA, restoring Azalia’s undefeated record. The IBA also banned Li, the Taiwan boxer. Was that a fraud too? I have little trust with the IBA. But, that doesn't excuse the IOC, or the boxing section thereof from not taking a more serious approach to trying to protect the integrity of their sport and the health and safety of their female competitors. Relying solely on a passport label is irresponsible. And it's resulted in two gold medals being given that most people in the world (the bigots with eyes) believe were awarded to competitors with unfair physical advantages.
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Post by aufan on Aug 11, 2024 19:33:05 GMT
If it is as simple as being a “man or woman”, which is Imane, man or woman? You still haven’t answered this question without some qualifier. I literally just said, "it's no longer as simple as being a "man or a woman". That's why I haven't answered your question. Do you know that swimming doesn’t outright ban competitors with a Y chromosome? You’re so ignorant you don’t even know your own position, so you contradict yourself in these two statements (and many others): You really get overly combative and derogatory when you're losing an argument. I never claimed to know how the swimming people do their testing. The fact that they excluded Lia Thomas gives me some confidence that they might be doing something right. If Thomas were a boxer, I guess she could compete. I'm sure the US allowed her to get an "F" on her passport. Look, it's a complicated issue. I get that. There are privacy concerns to deal with. But there are also REAL competitive advantages for biological males that require some sort of standard to maintain the fairness of women's sports. Here is an article that looks at the issue with a bit more maturity than you've shown: apnews.com/article/sex-eligibility-tests-female-athletes-07572d23d409126a8e069cb0bced1706This article implies that the swimming people ARE looking at XY, or at least asking for verifiucation: World Aquatics is not actively testing junior athletes. The first step for athletes is that national swim federations “certify their chromosomal sex.”But, they also take into account whether the athlete went through puberty as a male, and look directly testosterone levels in the blood. Those seem like decent guidelines to me. I was being overly simple before when I said "if they have a dick, go to men's restrooms". If a dude with a penis is dressing like a woman, and presenting as a woman, I don't guess there's a problem with them going to women's restrooms, where they can be discreet. I do NOT think they should be standing in a shower, with full male genitalia, around other women. That is just rude to the other women. There have to be better answers than that. I suppose the same could be said about having XY Chromosomes. If the person were taking drugs to suppress testosterone starting even before puberty, and never got the normal physical male enhancement, maybe they could compete. But that would be VERY hard to prove. By the way, you don’t even know what test Imane failed. You’re basing this on the IBA saying “read between the lines”. Here are the lines: Imane beats undefeated Russian boxer Azalia Amineva and then is banned 3 days later by Russian headed IBA, restoring Azalia’s undefeated record. The IBA also banned Li, the Taiwan boxer. Was that a fraud too? I have little trust with the IBA. But, that doesn't excuse the IOC, or the boxing section thereof from not taking a more serious approach to trying to protect the integrity of their sport and the health and safety of their female competitors. Relying solely on a passport label is irresponsible. And it's resulted in two gold medals being given that most people in the world (the bigots with eyes) believe were awarded to competitors with unfair physical advantages. Now you show some nuance, good job! You’ve backed down on almost all of your talking points, and basically repeating my point from about a week ago: Look, if your argument is that she shouldn’t be allowed to box with females because of her genetics or what not - cool. You may have a point. You went from bigoted position of authority (paraphrasing): ‘That’s a man pummeling a women, ban him!’ To an actual reasonable position of questioning: ‘I believe the competitor has unfair advantages’ You’re almost there, but you still won’t call her a woman, or answer the question if she is a male or female.
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Post by Bevo on Aug 12, 2024 0:26:50 GMT
lol. Yea. Right. I’m back to my original point. That boxing match was completely unfair and should NEVER have happened.
For purposes of female sporting events, I believe having XY chromosomes should be disqualifying.
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