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Post by tigercpa on Oct 6, 2015 14:58:14 GMT
The Oregon militiaman's father has stated that it's ridiculous that anybody can accumulate such an arsenal of semi-auto hand guns and assault weapons like his son did......and that pretty well nails the problem in our shoot 'em up, gun violence obsessed society...like no other in the world ( among so called advanced nations)
Maybe, the father should have stuck around and been a DAD... instead of popping off about a 2nd Amendment that he doesn't understand.
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Post by Bevo on Oct 6, 2015 15:09:35 GMT
Maybe, the father should have stuck around and been a DAD... instead of popping off about a 2nd Amendment that he doesn't understand.
THIS^^
When I was in high school, we had guns EVERYWHERE. We had them in the back windows of trucks, in the school parking lot.
What we didn't have was: psych drug addicted depressed freaks running around in gun free zones trying to kill as many people as he could.
Some thing has changed alright. But, it's not the presence of guns.
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Post by tigercpa on Oct 6, 2015 15:30:09 GMT
CPA ....so the answer basically is even 'more guns' and that'll stop 297 Americans from getting shot every day on average ? Hmmm sounds good to me.
More than half of those are people shooting themselves.... committing suicide. You think taking guns away will prevent suicide?
I've seen so many facebook posts from gun control advocates since the shooting and most of the stats are inflated on purpose....they are including suicides, criminals shot by other criminals, criminals shot by police, other legal use of force shootings in their numbers. Nearly 2/3rds of all gun deaths in the US result from suicides, not gun violence / gun crime.
I saw that Moms Demand Action (Bloomberg gun control front group) idiot Shannon say something like : "of all suicides, gun suicides are the most fatal"  Just ridiculous pablum to generate an emotional response.
The gun control argument is easily defeated. Gun control saves lives, they say. Notice how they include any up to age 25 as "children", again playing on emotion.
Nope, because criminals have already chosen to disobey the law at least once (by illegally obtaining a weapon) what makes you think they'll obey another. That's an extremely naïve position.
Also, they always say well, guns are bought in easy gun states and transported to strict gun states, even though there is no evidence to substantiate such.
On the raw numbers, the US is 4th on the list of gun violence per capita, but if you remove certain zip codes in DC, LA, Detroit and Nawlins, we drop to 4th from the bottom. The demographic most afflicted by gun violence is black males aged 15-44. 89% of these are shot by another black male.
Anti-gun groups and their allies in the news media portray mass shootings as common events that place the public at extreme risk. However, between 1999 and 2013, mass shootings covered by the CRS study accounted for a microscopic 0.004 percent of all deaths, about 0.66 percent of all murder victims, and less than one fiftieth the number of non-firearm murder victims in the United States. Stated another way, during the same 15-year period, the chance against a person being killed in a mass shooting in the United States was about 517,000:1.
I see Hillary has opened her yapper, saying she wants to close the "gun show loophole" (hint: there ain't one), but it makes for a good sound byte for the news cycle.
Obama always throws around the "this society has a problem. We are the only developed / advanced country on earth where this happens"...Completely untrue.
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Post by bluehen on Oct 6, 2015 23:08:42 GMT
You feel very strongly,CPA, about supporting our society's gun and gun violence obsession. We'll never agree but we've had good respectful discussions.
btw, yes, I do believe that suicide rates would be reduced without the quick and easy tool to do it with.
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Post by Bevo on Oct 6, 2015 23:21:07 GMT
yes, I do believe that suicide rates would be reduced without the quick and easy tool to do it with.
Hard to be respectful of your opinion when you believe that.
There are LOTS of ways to kill yourself. People that want to do it, can find a way.
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Post by tigercpa on Oct 7, 2015 0:28:52 GMT
yes, I do believe that suicide rates would be reduced without the quick and easy tool to do it with.
Hard to be respectful of your opinion when you believe that.
There are LOTS of ways to kill yourself. People that want to do it, can find a way.
I don't know...I think Hen is probably correct, at the margin.
From medical journals I have read on the subject, some suiciders don't necessarily have a plan B...either they go with their chosen method of killing themselves or end up doing nothing.
But again, I don't consider suicides to be "gun violence" or "gun crime"...
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Post by tigercpa on Oct 7, 2015 12:45:06 GMT
You feel very strongly,CPA, about supporting our society's gun and gun violence obsession. We'll never agree but we've had good respectful discussions. btw, yes, I do believe that suicide rates would be reduced without the quick and easy tool to do it with. I don't support the violence and killing - I just think we go about the solution the wrong way...plus, it's a complex solution, there is non easy fix. Some people collect baseball cards or cars, some collect guns.
Lots of people blather on about gun control, but when everyone says we need to have a "national conversation" on guns, they don't really want to address root causes.
There are between 270MM and 300MM guns in the US (depending on your preferred reporting source), which places us first in the world in gun ownership, followed by Yemen and Switzerland. Most of these guns never hurt anyone. Adding more and more laws that only law abiding citizens will follow only serves to increase the chance of a law abiding citizen becoming a criminal.
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Post by bluehen on Oct 7, 2015 13:06:23 GMT
No doubt an extremely complex problem. Gun collecting is fine . I can support gun collecting. I also support NO AMMO for these gun collections of semi-auto large magazine assault type weapons and hand guns . You're right about the sources . I've read between 3 and 3.5 million. There are so many a reasonable count can't be made. If the militia was 'well regulated' per the 2A a reasonably accurate count could be made.
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Post by Bevo on Oct 7, 2015 14:07:07 GMT
My sister recently sent me this SCHOOL PHOTO of my Uncle... from East Texas, 1939. Can you imagine the uproar if a school tried this today?
Guns were MORE prevalent then, not less...
It's the PEOPLE that have changed, not just the availability of guns.
I don't know about suicides... perhaps the ease of using a gun, on the spur of the moment, increase the numbers slightly. I'm not sure. I think if you're nuts enough to want to do it, you'll find a way. I'd have to see some statistics comparing gun ownership vs suicide rates... But, these are difficult numbers to get in any way that is comparable. It's not meaningful, IMO, to compare Norway with Chicago. |
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Post by tigercpa on Oct 8, 2015 0:00:33 GMT
Why don't mass shootings occur at gun shows?
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Post by tigercpa on Oct 8, 2015 16:13:14 GMT
When I was in high school, we had guns EVERYWHERE. We had them in the back windows of trucks, in the school parking lot.
What we didn't have was: psych drug addicted depressed freaks running around in gun free zones trying to kill as many people as he could.
Some thing has changed alright. But, it's not the presence of guns.
Allegedly, this is how CNN changed the photo of the shooter on one of their broadcasts.
Obviously, the skin has been whitened, but other facial structures have been altered as well...the nose is narrower, the nostril holes are smaller and the eyebrows and lips have been thinned.
Again today, CNN used white hands when referencing his mother (who is black)...the media is your enemy.
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Post by bluehen on Oct 9, 2015 13:53:01 GMT
So why do you continue to think that a heavily armed, deranged, drug addicted, hateful society is a better scenario than an unarmed deranged, drug addicted, hateful society ?
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Oct 9, 2015 16:25:43 GMT
So why do you continue to think that a heavily armed, deranged, drug addicted, hateful society is a better scenario than an unarmed deranged, drug addicted, hateful society ? A half century ago, liberals got their wish and mentally ill patients were released wholesale from the asylums. They pose a constant danger to society and should be institutionalized. This is not a gun control issue. NY Times: How release of mental patients began |
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Post by Bevo on Oct 9, 2015 23:25:24 GMT
So why do you continue to think that a heavily armed, deranged, drug addicted, hateful society is a better scenario than an unarmed deranged, drug addicted, hateful society ?
Why do you continue to think that "arms" are the only part of that equation that can be worked on?
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Post by Hero on Oct 10, 2015 0:21:59 GMT
When I was in high school, we had guns EVERYWHERE. We had them in the back windows of trucks, in the school parking lot.
What we didn't have was: psych drug addicted depressed freaks running around in gun free zones trying to kill as many people as he could.
Some thing has changed alright. But, it's not the presence of guns.
Allegedly, this is how CNN changed the photo of the shooter on one of their broadcasts.
Obviously, the skin has been whitened, but other facial structures have been altered as well...the nose is narrower, the nostril holes are smaller and the eyebrows and lips have been thinned.
Again today, CNN used white hands when referencing his mother (who is black)...the media is your enemy.
Goebbels would be proud. SMMFH
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