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Post by EvilVodka on Jan 3, 2020 21:55:13 GMT
Targeting call- this was the right call, despite what Buckeye fans think. Don't lead with your helmet
Fumble- this call could have gone either way. If the game hadn't been such a closely contested game, would it have mattered? If it had been called a TD, you'd have Clemson fans howling
Ohio State had opportunities outside of these falls, like the screen pass that Dobbins dropped. Going for it on 4th and 4. The Fields interception in the endzone
I don't think these calls were as atrocious as some of the missed calls during the Georgia-Alabama gamr
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Post by EvilVodka on Jan 3, 2020 21:56:18 GMT
The call would have been incomplete, even more clearly on an out of bounds play. You MUST secure the ball. He never was able to. What defines a "catch" has become a joke in the last several years. I still can't get over the Dez Bryant "non-catch" TD in the playoffs. Dez never got over it either. One of the most fantastic plays I've ever seen.... and, they said it wasn't even a catch? www.youtube.com/watch?v=1khK6is-Bfs It was a tough play to rule on. No way I would ever expect any OSU fan to agree with it. I never would, if it has been ruled against Texas. But, from a relatively impartial POV: I've seen a TON of better catches ruled incomplete. Agree - need a referendum on what is (1) a catch, and (2), targeting No, nothing needs to be changed on account of howling Ohio State fans
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Post by EvilVodka on Jan 3, 2020 21:59:38 GMT
The Bucks were one of the top 3 teams in the country and had a real shot at getting to the final game. I just wish there was another game next week! Just think, in the OLD days, you would have gone to Rose Bowl, CRUSHED the Ducks, finished undefeated and PROBABLY been voted as National Champ in at least one poll. Are you SURE this national obsession with a PLAYOFF Champion is an improvement? Yes, it is definitely an improvement the old system left '98 and '96 Buckeye teams out. I'd bet a lot of money on the '98 Buckeyes winning a championship Texas would probably have had more appearances as well. '08 Longhorns might have won it all. '04 Texas might have made it
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Post by bluehen on Jan 3, 2020 23:52:17 GMT
the beauty of a true and genuine championship - no guessing who would have won.
PLAYING is light years superior to VOTING
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Post by ajbuckeye on Jan 4, 2020 18:41:03 GMT
The rules are clear, all you have to do is apply them to the review. Was he able to throw or pitch the ball? No. Was he able to advance the ball? No. Was he able to avoid or shake free of defender? No. Therefore, no football move. No catch, no fumble. It's very straight forward. Pass in the Rose Bowl yesterday almost exact same thing...WR took 3 steps, DB all over him, no football move, ball comes out....pass incomplete...not a fumble. He had clearly possession of the ball for 4 steps? I am fairly certain every college athlete could possess a football after 2 steps and be able to pitch it. The fact that every analysis that has viewed this game may make you rethink that it was a catch. And by rule, to overturn a play there needs to be overwhelming evidence for the play to be reversed. The fact they had to review this 10 times in both slow and fast motion is clear indication that it is not overwhelming. It was clearly a judgement call on the field and the refs blew it.
By the way here is the definition for targeting: "
Targeting does not solely occur when players initiate helmet-to-helmet contact. It's defined as occurring when a player "takes aim at an opponent for purposes of attacking with forcible contact that goes beyond making a legal tackle or a legal block or playing the ball." Instances include, but are not limited to:
Launch--a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make forcible contact in the head or neck area. A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both feet are still on the ground. Leading with helmet, shoulder forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area. Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of his helmet.
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Therefore a helmet to helmet contact does not insinuate a targeting. Watch the video again. Wade did not launch him self and there was no intent to go to the head. The fact that no call was made by the officials and then replay jumps in and overturns it is flat out wrong. Again the exact same play was made in the Kentucky game and was called targeting but replay reversed the call?
The roughing the kicker was another bad call as well.
At the end of the day Clemson received several gifts from the referees that clearly affected the outcome of the game.
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Post by tigercpa on Jan 4, 2020 19:17:48 GMT
The biggest impact to the game was Venables in-game adjustment on defense.
From his base 4-2-5, Dobbins gashes the tigers on 2 long runs. The Bucks online was so big and fast.
Venables then adjusted to inverted cover 2 - where the corners have the deep halves and the safeties crash down. From this point Dobbins was basically ineffective, going 16-42, 2.6 YPC.
Venables went all Big 12 to defeat the Big 10. Venables spent time in early spring with the guys at Iowa State learning this scheme and adapting it into his alignments.
Clemson used it successfully against Texas A&M and Louisville this year and ls well.
On offense , Trevor become the runner, and ETN a receiver.
I feel for you AJ, it’s how I felt after the 2017 Sugar - Clemson just couldn’t get a break in that game.
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Post by Bevo on Jan 4, 2020 19:44:59 GMT
"Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of his helmet."
That is, precisely what Wade did. On a full run, he led with the crown of his helmet.
It's a penalty, all day long. I don't see many who dispute that call at all. The players and coaches KNEW it, as soon as they saw the replay.
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Post by ajbuckeye on Jan 4, 2020 22:08:55 GMT
The biggest impact to the game was Venables in-game adjustment on defense. From his base 4-2-5, Dobbins gashes the tigers on 2 long runs. The Bucks online was so big and fast. Venables then adjusted to inverted cover 2 - where the corners have the deep halves and the safeties crash down. From this point Dobbins was basically ineffective, going 16-42, 2.6 YPC. Venables went all Big 12 to defeat the Big 10. Venables spent time in early spring with the guys at Iowa State learning this scheme and adapting it into his alignments. Clemson used it successfully against Texas A&M and Louisville this year and ls well. On offense , Trevor become the runner, and ETN a receiver. I feel for you AJ, it’s how I felt after the 2017 Sugar - Clemson just couldn’t get a break in that game. I do give credit for the way Clemson played considering the hole they dug themselves in early on. It takes a great to keep there composure and stay in a game when all of the momentum was on the other side. The roughing the kicker call was huge and it was when Clemson was down 16 - 0. If it is running into the kicker it is a different game. No doubt this game hurts. Once the season is officially over I will do my best never to bring up the game and the calls again. Good luck to both sides. Probably for the first time in my life I will be pulling for an SEC only because I am a huge Joe Burrow fan. If Ohio State can't win it at least an Ohio boy can.
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Post by Bevo on Jan 4, 2020 22:15:41 GMT
AJ.. You and Doc can bitch about that game as long as you need to... There were a LOT of things that went against the Bucs. Fair, or not. They still hurt. It was just a GREAT game between two fantastic teams.
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Post by ajbuckeye on Jan 5, 2020 0:23:12 GMT
AJ.. You and Doc can bitch about that game as long as you need to... There were a LOT of things that went against the Bucs. Fair, or not. They still hurt. It was just a GREAT game between two fantastic teams. No doubt it was a great game. CPA clearly sees things differently than I do and I get it but non the less it is still painful. The Buckeyes had such a great season and it just leaves me with a lot of what if's. It just feels like this game was taken a way from us. I will get over it but it is not going to happen until after the season is officially over.
Part of the beauty of college football is the passion that goes along with it. That is what makes this game special and that is why it is so much fun to ride the wave of a good streak and why it is painful when a team loses a game that you feel you had in the bag.
I think a lot of my passion has alot to do with the John Cooper era. We had so many great teams and would always lay an egg somewhere in the season. Every year we would come into the GAME and you could see the deer in head lights in Coopers eyes and would lose to ttun. At one point ttun said that ND was a bigger rival than tOSU. Pretty sure that attitude has changed for them. I still feel like we were the best team in 1998 but I got over that one about 18 years ago.
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Post by EvilVodka on Jan 5, 2020 0:42:57 GMT
AJ.. You and Doc can bitch about that game as long as you need to... There were a LOT of things that went against the Bucs. Fair, or not. They still hurt. It was just a GREAT game between two fantastic teams. No doubt it was a great game. CPA clearly sees things differently than I do and I get it but non the less it is still painful. The Buckeyes had such a great season and it just leaves me with a lot of what if's. It just feels like this game was taken a way from us. I will get over it but it is not going to happen until after the season is officially over.
Part of the beauty of college football is the passion that goes along with it. That is what makes this game special and that is why it is so much fun to ride the wave of a good streak and why it is painful when a team loses a game that you feel you had in the bag.
I think a lot of my passion has alot to do with the John Cooper era. We had so many great teams and would always lay an egg somewhere in the season. Every year we would come into the GAME and you could see the deer in head lights in Coopers eyes and would lose to ttun. At one point ttun said that ND was a bigger rival than tOSU. Pretty sure that attitude has changed for them. I still feel like we were the best team in 1998 but I got over that one about 18 years ago.
You'll feel better after LSU tears up Clemson and you understand Ohio State wouldn't have stood a chance either
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Post by Bevo on Jan 5, 2020 18:25:59 GMT
I still feel like we were the best team in 1998 but I got over that I feel that way about 2008... when we finished the year with a great win over the Buckeyes. We lost ONE game, on the road at Texas Tech, on the last play... and, the play before, we had a DB have a GIMME interception go right through his hands. I still haven't gotten over it.
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Post by tigercpa on Jan 6, 2020 11:28:33 GMT
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Post by tigercpa on Jan 6, 2020 11:35:17 GMT
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Post by doc on Jan 6, 2020 14:03:24 GMT
A must read for Clemson fans . (It's actually too long to hold my attention )
It helps that the OSU running back was greatly slowed by an ankle injury that took him out of the game for a good part of the 3rd quarter and that the OSU receiver ran the wrong route on the deciding play of the game or JK Dobbins dropped a TD pass in the end zone and a possible TD pass on a perfectly executed screen pass or OSU ran into the punter on 4th and forever and would have received the ball on the 45 yard line. They can analyze and specualte all the want but OSU still gained over 500 yards on Clemson and in a game where one play can be the difference, Ohio State made about 5 or 6 plays that proved fatal to their chances.
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