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Post by kentflash_05 on Dec 2, 2015 14:39:36 GMT
Ohio State without some major help, isn't going to make the field and even then they may not, however I heard a member of the media on ESPN, say he thinks Ohio State at their best would win the playoff, but they don't DESERVE to be in the field.
Now let me say this, is the College Fotball Playoff about the four best teams or the four most deserving teams? Because I cannot imagine Clemson, Oklahoma, North Carolina or Stanford going to this Michigan team's place and beating them by 29. I know Ohio State has not played the most challenging schedule, but ask yourself how many teams could do that? If you think Ohio State is one of the four best teams in the country, and it's about getting the four best teams then you have to include the Buckeyes if Clemson and Stanford lose Saturday night don't you? Or is about the four most deserving teams, which is Clemson loses means North Carolina, BUT IF YOU SEND the message that's its the four most deserving teams...it has to be consistent
That means there will be never be two teams from ANY conference including the SEC, Big 12, ACC, Big Ten etc, because a conference championship means that much.
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Post by tigercpa on Dec 2, 2015 14:42:43 GMT
I think you can liken your points to the Heisman race as well...year over year, people are still searching for what the criteria are...is it the MVP?, the "best" player?, the "best" player on the "best" team?
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Post by doc on Dec 2, 2015 15:00:17 GMT
The more I think about this, under the right circumstances I think Clemson could lose and still make the playoff. The committee has positioned it that Clemson is the only team with 2 wins over current top 10 teams and that's not going to change over the weekend.
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Post by EvilVodka on Dec 3, 2015 1:06:13 GMT
Sorry to break Buckeye hearts, but I think the committee wants conference champs and balanced representation...
The 2011 All SEC BCS Championship really bothered a lot of people...no one wants to see the possibility of a Michigan State-Ohio State rematch
If North Carolina and Stanford win, the committee will pick one of those teams
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Post by kentflash_05 on Dec 3, 2015 1:29:32 GMT
Sorry to break Buckeye hearts, but I think the committee wants conference champs and balanced representation... The 2011 All SEC BCS Championship really bothered a lot of people...no one wants to see the possibility of a Michigan State-Ohio State rematch If North Carolina and Stanford win, the committee will pick one of those teams See that doesn't bother me just as long as its consistent..... If Alabama or LSU are in the same position that Ohio State is in...in a few years.....they'd better not get get in with a lack of a conference title. |
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Post by tigercpa on Dec 3, 2015 1:40:04 GMT
Sorry to break Buckeye hearts, but I think the committee wants conference champs and balanced representation... The 2011 All SEC BCS Championship really bothered a lot of people...no one wants to see the possibility of a Michigan State-Ohio State rematch If North Carolina and Stanford win, the committee will pick one of those teams Except that the conference champion "rule" is only applied if two teams are very close in their eyes. So if UNC wins and the Committee perceives OSU to be considerably better than UNC, the conference rule wouldn’t come into play; they’d just put OSU at #4 and UNC at #5 or worse. To some degree that makes sense. If taken to the extreme, it’s easy to see. If USC wins the Pac 12, there’s no way they should get in over nearly any one-loss team. The conference champion rule just doesn’t apply there. As teams get closer in comparison, you have to have other "rules" to help determine who’s in and who’s out. |
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Post by bluehen on Dec 3, 2015 12:43:57 GMT
OSU would definitely get an at large slot in a real playoff. If the Vegas linemakers were to select the 4 strongest teams certainly OSU and Bama would be 1 & 2 in either order. Problem is..this CFP event is NOT a playoff. Only suckers call it a playoff. Lots of deserving teams won't get a shot.
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Post by Hero on Dec 3, 2015 13:09:07 GMT
Sorry to break Buckeye hearts, but I think the committee wants conference champs and balanced representation... The 2011 All SEC BCS Championship really bothered a lot of people...no one wants to see the possibility of a Michigan State-Ohio State rematch If North Carolina and Stanford win, the committee will pick one of those teams I think that is the major reason we got the committee. The fact that it works out for TV gets more advantageous match ups is just a pleasant consequence.  |
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Post by Hero on Dec 3, 2015 13:11:05 GMT
Sorry to break Buckeye hearts, but I think the committee wants conference champs and balanced representation... The 2011 All SEC BCS Championship really bothered a lot of people...no one wants to see the possibility of a Michigan State-Ohio State rematch If North Carolina and Stanford win, the committee will pick one of those teams See that doesn't bother me just as long as its consistent..... If Alabama or LSU are in the same position that Ohio State is in...in a few years.....they'd better not get get in with a lack of a conference title. You know it will happen one day. |
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Post by doc on Dec 3, 2015 14:19:23 GMT
So what if Arkansas doesn't get the second biggest miracle of the year (the muffed punt at Michigan would be #1)and Mississippi recovers the 20 yard, blind, backward lateral. Mississippi would be playing Florida for the SEC championship. Absolutely nothing would be changed for Alabama - they'd still be 11-1 but not in the SEC championship game, not the west division champ, sitting at home this weekend. Do you think they'd still be the #2 in the rankings? I'm pretty sure they would be. So maybe the conference champion criteria isn't as big as we think.
Ironic the two biggest fluke plays of the year have paved the way for 2 of the possible 4 playoff teams.
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Post by Bevo on Dec 3, 2015 14:43:50 GMT
So what if Arkansas doesn't get the second biggest miracle of the year (the muffed punt at Michigan would be #1)and Mississippi recovers the 20 yard, blind, backward lateral. Mississippi would be playing Florida for the SEC championship. Absolutely nothing would be changed for Alabama - they'd still be 11-1 but not in the SEC championship game, not the west division champ, sitting at home this weekend. Do you think they'd still be the #2 in the rankings? I'm pretty sure they would be. So maybe the conference champion criteria isn't as big as we think. Ironic the two biggest fluke plays of the year have paved the way for 2 of the possible 4 playoff teams.
Doc, why are you always WRONG WRONG WRONG on everything??
Clearly, the "blind lateral" was the BIGGEST FLUKE play of the year..... maybe, ever?
Sheesh... it's exhausting correcting all your errors... 
PS>> BTW, I haven't been closing checking my TTJ scores this year... Last year, I had to correct you several times to get my victory. I think I might have to do a complete re-check.
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Post by EvilVodka on Dec 3, 2015 15:22:41 GMT
Sorry to break Buckeye hearts, but I think the committee wants conference champs and balanced representation... The 2011 All SEC BCS Championship really bothered a lot of people...no one wants to see the possibility of a Michigan State-Ohio State rematch If North Carolina and Stanford win, the committee will pick one of those teams See that doesn't bother me just as long as its consistent..... If Alabama or LSU are in the same position that Ohio State is in...in a few years.....they'd better not get get in with a lack of a conference title. If Ohio State clearly had a better record and was a better team, I could see them getting in...but on paper you'll have (if Stanford and NC win): 12-1 ACC Champ (who just beat #1) 11-1 B1G Conference runner up 11-2 PAC 12 Champ when you take away the name brand, you see 2 conference champs and a runner up.... If it was more like 9-4 ACC Champ 11-1 B1G Conference runner up 10-3 PAC 12 Champ I think you might see push to let Ohio State in....that said, who knows what the committee will do...I could be totally wrong |
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Post by EvilVodka on Dec 3, 2015 15:30:02 GMT
So what if Arkansas doesn't get the second biggest miracle of the year (the muffed punt at Michigan would be #1)and Mississippi recovers the 20 yard, blind, backward lateral. Mississippi would be playing Florida for the SEC championship. Absolutely nothing would be changed for Alabama - they'd still be 11-1 but not in the SEC championship game, not the west division champ, sitting at home this weekend. Do you think they'd still be the #2 in the rankings? I'm pretty sure they would be. So maybe the conference champion criteria isn't as big as we think. Ironic the two biggest fluke plays of the year have paved the way for 2 of the possible 4 playoff teams. Interesting question...I think they would be pretty high....but they also wouldn't be playing this week, and I think they would get jumped by the Big 10 Champ and Oklahoma.... IMO, the final rankings would look like this: 1. Clemson (assuming they win) 2. Big 10 Champ 3. Oklahoma 4.... it would come down to Alabama, Stanford, Ohio State, or maybe even Florida if they won the SEC.....Ohio State would still probably be the odd man out. How would the committee handle another Alabama dilemma, where they only lose once but don't win their conference? IMO, Florida would get in if they beat Ole Miss. If they lost, I could see Alabama getting in |
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Post by kentflash_05 on Dec 3, 2015 16:07:44 GMT
Disagree completely.....the standard for conference champion has been set...if Alabama wasn't playing for the SEC championship it would have to be Stanford
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Post by tigercpa on Dec 3, 2015 16:11:57 GMT
The more I think about this, under the right circumstances I think Clemson could lose and still make the playoff. The committee has positioned it that Clemson is the only team with 2 wins over current top 10 teams and that's not going to change over the weekend. Doc you said it here first, but I see more and more people on various message boards agree...The Cte. has positioned Bama and Clemson such that if they lose, they could both still remain in the top 4.
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