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Aug 7, 2017 18:23:51 GMT
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Aug 7, 2017 18:23:51 GMT
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Post by Hero on Aug 8, 2017 10:09:18 GMT
The NCAA takes no swift action so cheating prospers. How long has North Carolina been under investigation with no action? I said years ago(2012) Ole Miss was cheating yet the NCAA has done nothing and didn't even investigate until an Ole Miss player went on ESPN and said he was being paid.
Do not expect it to change, except in getting worse. Your NCAA in action.
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Aug 8, 2017 11:37:25 GMT
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Aug 8, 2017 11:37:25 GMT
The NCAA takes no swift action so cheating prospers. How long has North Carolina been under investigation with no action? I said years ago(2012) Ole Miss was cheating yet the NCAA has done nothing and didn't even investigate until an Ole Miss player went on ESPN and said he was being paid. Do not expect it to change, except in getting worse. Your NCAA in action. Yet another good reason for the P5 conferences to leave the NCAA and create their own governing body. It would be a win-win for everyone.
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Post by bluehen on Aug 8, 2017 12:37:15 GMT
That would be a wonderful thing for CF......secession from the NCAA by the WAAC factories, but I wouldn't say all P5 conferences in a blanket sense. There may be some universities in these leagues that may want to remain in the association, regroup and offer sports programs that have something to do with 'college'.
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Post by Bevo on Aug 8, 2017 15:02:29 GMT
That would be a wonderful thing for CF......secession from the NCAA by the WAAC factories, but I wouldn't say all P5 conferences in a blanket sense. There may be some universities in these leagues that may want to remain in the association, regroup and offer sports programs that have something to do with 'college'. "something to do with college" ? Go to any college in the SEC, and you'll find that football is a CENTRAL theme that unites 90% of the student body. It's a BIG part of the college experience. Frankly, I'm shocked that the numbers in that poll who thought cheating was going on were so low. I think it's higher. Close to 90%. If, you consider "cheating" to be breaking one of the myriad of arcane NCAA rules.
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Post by bluehen on Aug 9, 2017 3:37:44 GMT
IMO, academic fraud is the most blatant 'cheating'
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Post by Bevo on Aug 9, 2017 12:53:00 GMT
IMO, academic fraud is the most blatant 'cheating' Maybe.... Cash payments are right up there too. North Carolina is the GOLD STANDARD for Academic fraud... and still, the NCAA has not touched them.
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Post by stumpystew on Aug 9, 2017 13:33:11 GMT
North Carolina academic thing is a university problem, not an athletic one. This is the university not over seeing or holding to standards a department (African/African American Studies) that is did over other departments. This was not "classes" just for athletes, or coaches fixing grade. These "classes" were open to all students. This is a thing looked at by the accreditation services, not the NCAA. As Jay Bilas (and others) have stated, this is not in the NCAA's jurisdiction.
And all of us, who were in college, know, we found out where the easy classes and "easy A's" were.
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Post by Bevo on Aug 9, 2017 14:12:35 GMT
North Carolina academic thing is a university problem, not an athletic one. This is the university not over seeing or holding to standards a department (African/African American Studies) that is did over other departments. This was not "classes" just for athletes, or coaches fixing grade. These "classes" were open to all students. This is a thing looked at by the accreditation services, not the NCAA. As Jay Bilas (and others) have stated, this is not in the NCAA's jurisdiction. And all of us, who were in college, know, we found out where the easy classes and "easy A's" were. With all due respect to Jay Bilas, if ATHLETES participated in these sham courses, and thus maintained eligibility, then the NCAA damned well SHOULD BE involved. The fact that other students were also involved means nothing.
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Post by Bevo on Aug 9, 2017 14:41:47 GMT
This crap has been KNOWN since at least 2012, and had been happening as far back as 2002.... and still, the NCAA has done NOTHING! Basketball athletes were involved as well. The NCAA has sat back and done nothing while UNC has been winning a National Championship. It is disgraceful. This was academic fraud of the WORST kind... Lack of institutional control if I ever saw it. And still, the mighty NCAA sits on their heels.
DEATH BLOW to Louisville, for letting some hookers get called into a dorm. But, the Tar Heels can invent an entire fake department, and.... crickets.
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Aug 9, 2017 17:07:00 GMT
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Aug 9, 2017 17:07:00 GMT
This survey of coaches indicate that they believe that the disproportionate amount of cheating is in P5 schools, with the SEC leading the way.
You have once again pointed out why it is in the best interest of all for the P5 conferences to leave the NCAS and form their own governing body.
Then, they could either accept and codify the activities that are now considered cheating and create a semi-pro sports organization, or they could establish an enforcement mechanism with teeth. Either way, all would be equal.
And, the G5, FCS, D-II and D-III schools could work toward the ideal of true amateurism in college sports.
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Post by stumpystew on Aug 9, 2017 18:15:17 GMT
The AFAM Dept. problems were done by and supervised by the dept. head and his secretary. And this dept. was established after protests on the campus, with charges of racism being thrown. Part of the history of UNC. And the athletes were leading the protests. Thus, the University giving AFAM the same supervision as other departments would have led to charges of racism again. Now did coaches notice the good grades from the players taking AFAM classes and getting degrees, I say yes. Did they, and academic advisors, steer players to this degree, probably yes. Did they know the nature of not meet classes and independent study, there is the rub. None have admitted that they did.
And the reason I put stock in Jay Bilas comment is not only is he a former player and ESPN talking head, he is a lawyer. And that is where he took the stand on this not being the NCAA jurisdiction.
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Post by Bevo on Aug 9, 2017 19:50:14 GMT
And the reason I put stock in Jay Bilas comment is not only is he a former player and ESPN talking head, he is a lawyer. And that is where he took the stand on this not being the NCAA jurisdiction. Good point, re: Silas... Whether the coaches knew exactly what was going, IMO, will not be relevant. Pitino "did NOT know" what was going on in the dorms. He's never admitted such and no one has proven otherwise. Yet, he was personally punished because: "He SHOULD have known". I think the same standard should apply at UNC.... even more so. They actually DID know something shady was happening. Additionally, UNC had already been investigated, twice... and, found to be in violation. They should have been trying to be squeaky clean. I mean, let's face it: This is worst proven case EVER of academic fraud, and it largely centered around athletes. At the VERY least, some of these guys should be declared ineligible, and some titles should be vacated. If the NCAA lets them skate (and that certainly looks possible) they would lose ANY shred of credibility they have remaining as a 'governing body"'. Heh... I actually chuckled as I wrote that last line.... AS IF this were some kind of great loss..
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Post by tigercpa on Aug 9, 2017 20:36:46 GMT
North Carolina academic thing is a university problem, not an athletic one. This is the university not over seeing or holding to standards a department (African/African American Studies) that is did over other departments. This was not "classes" just for athletes, or coaches fixing grade. These "classes" were open to all students. This is a thing looked at by the accreditation services, not the NCAA. As Jay Bilas (and others) have stated, this is not in the NCAA's jurisdiction. And all of us, who were in college, know, we found out where the easy classes and "easy A's" were. With all due respect to Jay Bilas, if ATHLETES participated in these sham courses, and thus maintained eligibility, then the NCAA damned well SHOULD BE involved. The fact that other students were also involved means nothing. Bingo.
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Post by bluehen on Aug 10, 2017 13:50:48 GMT
North Carolina academic thing is a university problem, not an athletic one. This is the university not over seeing or holding to standards a department (African/African American Studies) that is did over other departments. This was not "classes" just for athletes, or coaches fixing grade. These "classes" were open to all students. This is a thing looked at by the accreditation services, not the NCAA. As Jay Bilas (and others) have stated, this is not in the NCAA's jurisdiction. And all of us, who were in college, know, we found out where the easy classes and "easy A's" were. With all due respect to Jay Bilas, if ATHLETES participated in these sham courses, and thus maintained eligibility, then the NCAA damned well SHOULD BE involved. The fact that other students were also involved means nothing. The NCAA doesn't care about academic fraud. It's convenient for it to lay the blame on and pass responsibility to the universities.
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