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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Aug 18, 2017 15:17:08 GMT
another funny, the same people who were screaming for Trump to specifically call out Nazis, are NOT screaming for Trump to call out radical Islam for Barcelona. "Can't condemn all of Islam for a radical few"... Correct. A double standard. The "Antifas" are not deserving of respect.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Aug 18, 2017 15:31:23 GMT
Of course there were violent anti-fascists who came to the protest looking for a fight. That should and must be condemned. But, in proper perspective. Their cause, on face value, is just. Their tactics are not. I hope, hope, hope that you identity yourself as an anti-fascist. They came to fight self-avowed Trump supporters who are neo-Nazis, KKK and white supremacists. Trump supporters who spew hatred toward Jews and blacks. Boy, you have taken the media portrayal of the current Antifa as boy scouts.
Their cause is not just - they ARE the fascists. They seek destruction, disorder and and chaos in society. Nothing more.
Antifa, also known as Black Bloc.
Funny thing is, about half of both sides are undercover feds, keeping an eye on both hate groups.
Not so. They are in many ways similar to the fascists they claim to oppose. However, they do oppose the Jew-hating, bigoted neo-Nazis, KKK and white supremacists, all of whom are avowed Trump supporters. Trump has had numerous opportunities to disavow these of his supporters, and has repeatedly refused to do so. That opened the door for his adversaries to portray him as being sympathetic to their evil doings.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Aug 18, 2017 15:37:43 GMT
The CEOs were leading public opinion! They weren;t leading, they were all knee-jerk reactionaries, who saw a chance to get out of the council because Trump was going to negotiate hard on China, where much of their economics are based and dependent.
They initially thought they had convinced Trump to leave china as status quo, but he wouldn't - this will upset the MNC paradigm significantly, but be better for all Americans.
761 Under Armour products are made in China and more across Asia.
You don't know that, and you certainly don't have any idea what the corporate CEOs were thinking. However, the CEOs began deserting Trump well before public opinion against Trump's failings had taken hold.
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Post by tigercpa on Aug 18, 2017 17:10:44 GMT
Boy, you have taken the media portrayal of the current Antifa as boy scouts.
Their cause is not just - they ARE the fascists. They seek destruction, disorder and and chaos in society. Nothing more.
Antifa, also known as Black Bloc.
Funny thing is, about half of both sides are undercover feds, keeping an eye on both hate groups.
Not so. They are in many ways similar to the fascists they claim to oppose. However, they do oppose the Jew-hating, bigoted neo-Nazis, KKK and white supremacists, all of whom are avowed Trump supporters. Trump has had numerous opportunities to disavow these of his supporters, and has repeatedly refused to do so. That opened the door for his adversaries to portray him as being sympathetic to their evil doings. Trump did disavow them, explicitly.
There was no ambiguity in what he stated.
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Post by tigercpa on Aug 18, 2017 17:13:26 GMT
They weren;t leading, they were all knee-jerk reactionaries, who saw a chance to get out of the council because Trump was going to negotiate hard on China, where much of their economics are based and dependent.
They initially thought they had convinced Trump to leave china as status quo, but he wouldn't - this will upset the MNC paradigm significantly, but be better for all Americans.
761 Under Armour products are made in China and more across Asia.
You don't know that, and you certainly don't have any idea what the corporate CEOs were thinking. However, the CEOs began deserting Trump well before public opinion against Trump's failings had taken hold. Actually, I do know. They want to keep their cheap labor gravy train going.
Trump wants to renegotiate trade deals in order to be better for Americans. These CEOs oppose that.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Aug 18, 2017 18:36:38 GMT
You don't know that, and you certainly don't have any idea what the corporate CEOs were thinking. However, the CEOs began deserting Trump well before public opinion against Trump's failings had taken hold. Actually, I do know. They want to keep their cheap labor gravy train going.
Trump wants to renegotiate trade deals in order to be better for Americans. These CEOs oppose that.
My bad. I totally forgot that you are (pretend to be) a mind-reader extraordinaire! Lol!!
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Post by Bevo on Aug 18, 2017 19:05:47 GMT
Trump did disavow them, explicitly. There was no ambiguity in what he stated. It doesn't matter. Trump haters just gotta hate. Trump condemned David Duke as well, MULTIPLE times.. But, all your hear from the haters is how much Trump loves and adores David Duke.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Aug 18, 2017 19:20:05 GMT
Not so. They are in many ways similar to the fascists they claim to oppose. However, they do oppose the Jew-hating, bigoted neo-Nazis, KKK and white supremacists, all of whom are avowed Trump supporters. Trump has had numerous opportunities to disavow these of his supporters, and has repeatedly refused to do so. That opened the door for his adversaries to portray him as being sympathetic to their evil doings. Trump did disavow them, explicitly.
There was no ambiguity in what he stated.
Show me. Here is what a proper disavowal should look like: "I totally reject and disavow any group, specifically including neo-Nazis, the KKK and white supremacists, that espouses hatred or contempt toward people of any race or religion. I personally detest everything these groups stand for. They are unAmerican. They do not have a friend in the Trump White House. They are not welcome at any Trump event."
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Aug 18, 2017 19:25:38 GMT
Trump did disavow them, explicitly. There was no ambiguity in what he stated. It doesn't matter. Trump haters just gotta hate. Trump condemned David Duke as well, MULTIPLE times.. But, all your hear from the haters is how much Trump loves and adores David Duke. Bull! "Just so you understand, I don't know anything about David Duke, OK?" Trump said. Trump was pressed three times on whether he'd distance himself from the Ku Klux Klan -- but never mentioned the group in his answers. "I don't know anything about what you're even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists," he said. "So I don't know. I don't know -- did he endorse me, or what's going on? Because I know nothing about David Duke; I know nothing about white supremacists." www.cnn.com/2016/02/28/politics/donald-trump-white-supremacists/index.html
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Post by tigercpa on Aug 18, 2017 19:53:41 GMT
Trump did disavow them, explicitly. There was no ambiguity in what he stated. It doesn't matter. Trump haters just gotta hate. Trump condemned David Duke as well, MULTIPLE times.. But, all your hear from the haters is how much Trump loves and adores David Duke. Yeah Bevo, but he didn't do it fast enough or something
And who keeps giving David Duke air time? The media.
He's been on the Dem payroll for a good 2 decades or so....he's trotted out any time the media and left need to bash a republican.
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Post by tigercpa on Aug 18, 2017 20:01:16 GMT
Trump did disavow them, explicitly.
There was no ambiguity in what he stated.
Show me. Here is what a proper disavowal should look like: "I totally reject and disavow any group, specifically including neo-Nazis, the KKK and white supremacists, that espouses hatred or contempt toward people of any race or religion. I personally detest everything these groups stand for. They are unAmerican. They do not have a friend in the Trump White House. They are not welcome at any Trump event." “You’re changing history. You’re changing culture, and you had people—and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, OK? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.”
"Condemned totally". Without qualification or reservation.
Of course, the media wasted no time inaccurately summarizing his remarks, portraying Trump as condoning the very neo-Nazis and white supremacists he condemned in his speech.
Normal people understood that Trump said there were some there who were simply exercising their basic constitutional rights and protections, but others should be condemned totally. The right to free speech exists independently of the content. Basic constitutional law.
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Post by Bevo on Aug 18, 2017 20:04:02 GMT
It doesn't matter. Trump haters just gotta hate. Trump condemned David Duke as well, MULTIPLE times.. But, all your hear from the haters is how much Trump loves and adores David Duke. Yeah Bevo, but he didn't do it fast enough or something Yep.. the FIRST time he was asked, he didn't respond fast enough. The next day, Trump said he didn't hear the entire question, so... he just tried to deflect it. Doesn't matter. Haters gotta hate. And, they had their sound bite that they can use OVER and OVER, even though Trump clearly disavowed Duke after that.. and, several other times. Continuing to cite the first sound bite, where he really never said anything, is akin to mis-information. Intentional mis-information. They know the truth. But, they don't want others to know it. DJT: www.cnn.com/2016/03/03/politics/donald-trump-disavows-david-duke-kkk/www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoXThCb8EZAliars... flat out liars.
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Post by tigercpa on Aug 18, 2017 21:17:39 GMT
How about this disavowing:
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Aug 18, 2017 22:02:01 GMT
It is called "protecting your base". No ambiguity here, for a man who supposedly had disavowed David Duke 11 times previously!! "I know nothing about white supremacists." - Donald Trump. Lol "Just so you understand, I don't know anything about David Duke, OK?" Trump said. Trump was pressed three times on whether he'd distance himself from the Ku Klux Klan -- but never mentioned the group in his answers. "I don't know anything about what you're even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists," he said. "So I don't know. I don't know -- did he endorse me, or what's going on? Because I know nothing about David Duke; I know nothing about white supremacists." www.cnn.com/2016/02/28/politics/donald-trump-white-supremacists/index.html
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Post by bluehen on Aug 19, 2017 1:52:00 GMT
Back to the Civil War....
What about these reenactments and assorted community 'Civil War Days' and camps. They all seem to occur in the South and feature far more confederate actors....like a Civil War reenactment ball I play annually. Will they be politically incorrect and banned ?
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