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Post by bluehen on Oct 20, 2017 17:28:39 GMT
Polls are conversation pieces,to stir the emotion among fans.they do serve a purpose.you talk amd bitch about them.mission accomplished. Unfortunately, IMO, they influence the DPI voters. |
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Post by Hero on Oct 21, 2017 11:28:05 GMT
Polls are conversation pieces,to stir the emotion among fans.they do serve a purpose.you talk amd bitch about them.mission accomplished.
Here ya go :::: total appearances in AP poll since it's inception in 1936:::::
1 TOSU 878 2 Michigan 831 3 Oklahoma 806 4 Notre D. 775 5 Alabama 767
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Post by doc on Oct 21, 2017 13:04:59 GMT
With their win over Nebraska last week the Buckeyes tied the Huskers for the same number of lifetime wins - it was over 900, can't remember the exact total. But with the direction of both programs I don't think the Bucks will be behind them again for quite a while.
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Post by GatorGrad on Oct 22, 2017 16:00:46 GMT
Thankfully, the football AP and Coaches Polls are meaningless now...just like in basketball.
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Post by Bevo on Oct 22, 2017 17:45:08 GMT
Thankfully, the football AP and Coaches Polls are meaningless now...just like in basketball. I agree.... I don't think the committee consider the polls AT ALL. In fact, I think they look for ways to prove they don't care about the polls. |
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Post by bluehen on Oct 23, 2017 0:15:17 GMT
Thankfully, the football AP and Coaches Polls are meaningless now...just like in basketball. You are absolutely sure they are meaningless ? You seriously don't think that the voters on this goofy committee are aware of them ? |
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Post by Bevo on Oct 23, 2017 1:06:39 GMT
Thankfully, the football AP and Coaches Polls are meaningless now...just like in basketball. You are absolutely sure they are meaningless ? You seriously don't think that the voters on this goofy committee are aware of them ? Sure they're aware of them... but, they know (even better than we do) that the polls mean NOTHING. The committee people have ALL the power, and they KNOW it. Why would the let stupid, meaningless polls influence them? |
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Post by GatorGrad on Oct 25, 2017 17:22:11 GMT
Thankfully, the football AP and Coaches Polls are meaningless now...just like in basketball. You are absolutely sure they are meaningless ? You seriously don't think that the voters on this goofy committee are aware of them ? Of course they are "aware" of them. But they are meaningless when it comes to selecting the playoff teams. The CFP Committee selects the playoff teams. Just like the NCAA Selection Committee selects the at-large teams for the NCAA Basketball Tournament. |
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Oct 26, 2017 16:55:58 GMT
You are absolutely sure they are meaningless ? You seriously don't think that the voters on this goofy committee are aware of them ? Of course they are "aware" of them. But they are meaningless when it comes to selecting the playoff teams. The CFP Committee selects the playoff teams. Just like the NCAA Selection Committee selects the at-large teams for the NCAA Basketball Tournament. The CFP doesn’t have automatic qualifiers. And, the CFP is a fictional championship. |
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Post by bluehen on Oct 26, 2017 23:16:30 GMT
Of course they are "aware" of them. But they are meaningless when it comes to selecting the playoff teams. The CFP Committee selects the playoff teams. Just like the NCAA Selection Committee selects the at-large teams for the NCAA Basketball Tournament. The CFP doesn’t have automatic qualifiers. And, the CFP is a fictional championship. How come these guys don't get this ? Maybe because their teams never experienced an actual , on field, elimination style competition  .. surviving a full, inclusive bracket. |
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Post by Bevo on Oct 26, 2017 23:27:17 GMT
The CFP doesn’t have automatic qualifiers. And, the CFP is a fictional championship. How come these guys don't get this ? Maybe because their teams never experienced an actual , on field, elimination style competition .. surviving a full, inclusive bracket. We've ALL experienced that, in every other sport. That model doesn't work in FBS football, with a division of 120+ teams. It NEVER has, EVER! At best, all we've ever been able to hope for was: Havng the BEST argument for being the "best" team. With the current setup.... Virtually NO team can make a credible claim that they "deserved it more" than the team that won. That's a big improvement over where the sport used to be. It's not all bad. Much as you want us to think that it is. |
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Post by GatorGrad on Nov 2, 2017 14:48:08 GMT
Of course they are "aware" of them. But they are meaningless when it comes to selecting the playoff teams. The CFP Committee selects the playoff teams. Just like the NCAA Selection Committee selects the at-large teams for the NCAA Basketball Tournament. The CFP doesn’t have automatic qualifiers. And, the CFP is a fictional championship. Who said that the CFP has automatic qualifiers? And I wouldn't call the CFP "fictional" as the teams do play a semi-final and final to determine the CFP Championship. That happens in real life on the field. It's just not an "NCAA" Championship. |
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Post by bluehen on Nov 3, 2017 0:20:51 GMT
Back to the question of whether the pop polls have any influence on the DPI committee voters. Now GG, do you think there might be any mention at all of 'ranked' when these folks are sitting around the table making cases for various teams....like this or that team "lost only to a 'ranked' team", beat x # of 'ranked' teams, played x# of 'ranked' teams etc..or are you 100% certain that the word 'ranked' is NEVER spoken in these meetings. If it is spoken at all then there is an influence and the championship is still mythically (opinion) driven.
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Post by tigercpa on Nov 3, 2017 11:04:35 GMT
How come these guys don't get this ? Maybe because their teams never experienced an actual , on field, elimination style competition .. surviving a full, inclusive bracket. We've ALL experienced that, in every other sport. That model doesn't work in FBS football, with a division of 120+ teams. It NEVER has, EVER! At best, all we've ever been able to hope for was: Havng the BEST argument for being the "best" team. With the current setup.... Virtually NO team can make a credible claim that they "deserved it more" than the team that won. That's a big improvement over where the sport used to be. It's not all bad. Much as you want us to think that it is. Agreed.
Many think it's the best playoff in sports. Some don't.
Can't play 162 games in this sport. Rankings and ratings are simply ways to bridge the gap. Computers can "connect" the teams as datapoints increase throughout the season. Some do it better than others.
On the surface, it's relatively similar to the NCAA basketball tourney - an NCAA committee has AQ's, makes mythical at-large selections, creates mythical seedings and so forth. In CFB, the conference champs function like automatic qualifiers. The committee then seeds those AQ's / selections.
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Post by bluehen on Nov 3, 2017 14:19:05 GMT
Oh c'mon CPA. When you say CFB does it this way ( the DPI system) that is incorrect. You should be saying that the 'P5' club does it this way only. The P5 club represents only 8% of all college football programs. That's right, 92 % of college football is more sports mainstream in that it determines champions with actual championship playoffs.
The 8% comes from this : There are 774 colleges and universities that sponsor CF programs including the 65, so called, 'P5' programs. These 774 CF teams are spread among 89 total conferences and 5 official divisions.
NCAA Division III has 262 teams and its championship semifinalists are determined by an all inclusive , on field, elimination playoff
NCAA Division II has 169 teams and its championship semifinalists are determined by an all inclusive, on field, elimination playoff
NCAA Division I - Football Championship Subdivision has 124 teams and its semifinalists are determined by an inclusive, on field, elimination playoff
NAIA Football has 89 teams and its semifinalists are determined by an inclusive , on field, elimination playoff
NCAA Division I - Football Bowl Subdivision has 130 teams and its semi-finalists are limited to 65 teams determined by a board room beauty contest style vote.
So when arguing on behalf of a mythical championship system keep em separate, please..the 8% that subjectively' votes' and the 92 % that actually 'plays' regarding their championship ideology.
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.. surviving a full, inclusive bracket. 