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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Oct 30, 2017 15:37:18 GMT
I would expect G5 teams to schedule HARDER in their OOC. They have to, if they want respect when it comes time for post-season. It's the ONLY way they can get their SOS in the top half. Yep, common knowledge.
I agree that G5 conference teams should schedule OOC opponents that could reasonably be expected to be challenging several years down the road. That doesn’t always work out, witness Florida, FSU etc. However, the CFP system remains seriously flawed because it intentionally rules out consideration of teams with lower SOS. The question that the CFP cannot answer is, “what if the best team has a weak schedule?”. By purposefully prohibiting consideration of MOV, it becomes impossible to judge the merits of teams with weaker schedules. |
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Post by doc on Oct 30, 2017 15:49:31 GMT
However, the CFP system remains seriously flawed because it intentionally rules out consideration of teams with lower SOS. The question that the CFP cannot answer is, “what if the best team has a weak schedule?”. By purposefully prohibiting consideration of MOV, it becomes impossible to judge the merits of teams with weaker schedules. It's really playing out right now as Alabama has a lower strength of schedule than every other top 10 team BUT Wisconsin, whose schedule is abysmal. On their side is the fact that they're undefeated and clearly pass the looks test. It wouldn't surprise me if Georgia is #1 tomorrow but it really doesn't matter at this point. |
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Post by tigercpa on Oct 30, 2017 15:52:40 GMT
I agree that G5 conference teams should schedule OOC opponents that could reasonably be expected to be challenging several years down the road. That doesn’t always work out, witness Florida, FSU etc. However, the CFP system remains seriously flawed because it intentionally rules out consideration of teams with lower SOS. The question that the CFP cannot answer is, “what if the best team has a weak schedule?”. By purposefully prohibiting consideration of MOV, it becomes impossible to judge the merits of teams with weaker schedules. www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/
UCF is 15th, with a schedule strength of 99, easily the worst in the t30.
No top 10 wins, no top 30 wins.
The computers can certainly judge the merits of these teams based on empirical data.
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Post by doc on Oct 30, 2017 16:24:44 GMT
I think Sagarin has it nailed!
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Post by tigercpa on Oct 30, 2017 17:32:58 GMT
However, the CFP system remains seriously flawed because it intentionally rules out consideration of teams with lower SOS. The question that the CFP cannot answer is, “what if the best team has a weak schedule?”. By purposefully prohibiting consideration of MOV, it becomes impossible to judge the merits of teams with weaker schedules. It's really playing out right now as Alabama has a lower strength of schedule than every other top 10 team BUT Wisconsin, whose schedule is abysmal. On their side is the fact that they're undefeated and clearly pass the looks test. It wouldn't surprise me if Georgia is #1 tomorrow but it really doesn't matter at this point. Agree - I will not be surprised to see UGA #1 tomorrow.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Oct 30, 2017 17:52:03 GMT
Why doesn’t the CFP committee simply rank the teams by SOS, with the team with the toughest schedule being declared national champion?
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Post by tigercpa on Oct 30, 2017 18:44:38 GMT
Why doesn’t the CFP committee simply rank the teams by SOS, with the team with the toughest schedule being declared national champion? In case you forgot the rules, wins and losses are important too...
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Post by Hero on Oct 30, 2017 20:35:10 GMT
This sounds true, to a non thinking person, I suppose. Does it sound true to you? Laughing, I know it's nonsense but don't let that hold you back. |
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Post by Hero on Oct 30, 2017 20:36:52 GMT
It's really playing out right now as Alabama has a lower strength of schedule than every other top 10 team BUT Wisconsin, whose schedule is abysmal. On their side is the fact that they're undefeated and clearly pass the looks test. It wouldn't surprise me if Georgia is #1 tomorrow but it really doesn't matter at this point. Agree - I will not be surprised to see UGA #1 tomorrow.
Nor will I. |
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Post by bluehen on Oct 30, 2017 22:33:34 GMT
I agree that G5 conference teams should schedule OOC opponents that could reasonably be expected to be challenging several years down the road. That doesn’t always work out, witness Florida, FSU etc. However, the CFP system remains seriously flawed because it intentionally rules out consideration of teams with lower SOS. The question that the CFP cannot answer is, “what if the best team has a weak schedule?”. By purposefully prohibiting consideration of MOV, it becomes impossible to judge the merits of teams with weaker schedules. www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/
UCF is 15th, with a schedule strength of 99, easily the worst in the t30.
No top 10 wins, no top 30 wins.
The computers can certainly judge the merits of these teams based on empirical data.
I don't follow rankings...so what are Alabama's "top Ten" or "top 30" wins.  ? Also, weren't or aren't Memphis, Navy or GT ranked by somebody some place, some time ?
UCF to the Invitational .....!!!....at least to the first round of the playoff ( if we had a playoff) |
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Post by bluehen on Oct 30, 2017 22:35:12 GMT
Nope....its a Cartel event only, Seriously : Take a look at BAMA's N/C schedule : (one single so called P5 very weak opponent) Florida St. Fresno St. Colorado St. Mercer and UCF's N/C schedule : ( twice as many P5 opponents) FIU Georgia Tech Maryland Maine Bad example, Bama's schedule is still harder, based on the teams listed.
FSU 31, Fresno 62, ColoSt 70, Mercer 133 = Average rating 74
FIU 128, GT 21, Md 63, Maine 155 = Average rating 92
UCF's OOC average team rating is 25% worse than Bama's.
Mythical rankings, mythical rankings. You're whole argument is based on mythical rankings.
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Post by tigercpa on Oct 30, 2017 23:20:51 GMT
Bad example, Bama's schedule is still harder, based on the teams listed.
FSU 31, Fresno 62, ColoSt 70, Mercer 133 = Average rating 74
FIU 128, GT 21, Md 63, Maine 155 = Average rating 92
UCF's OOC average team rating is 25% worse than Bama's.
Mythical rankings, mythical rankings. You're whole argument is based on mythical rankings.
Sagarin's data. You're too hung up labels... |
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Post by bluehen on Oct 31, 2017 1:12:44 GMT
Sagarin's data. You're too hung up labels... You need to get informed, cpa. Sagarin's system is one of 88 assorted mythical systems in the Massey Rankings composite ( 1.1 %)...with no proof or guarantee that it is any more accurate than any of the others. Its all bull$hit. Anyway, since you sucked me into this moronic rankings crap ( the main problem with big time CF) I did a little research at the Massey Composite. I just compared the 3 FBS OOC opponents of Bama and UCF since most don't rank FCS and FBS together. Here's what the consensus currently says about rankings : BAMA (58.3 average ranked) -----\ FSU - 57th Fresno - 55th Col State - 63rd UCF (53.3 average ranked) ----- FIU - 77th Ga Tech - 32nd Maryland - 51st UCF has a tougher OOC schedule than Alabama. Now, hold on - my research continues with this : 29 of the 88 mythical systems at Massey Composite say that UCF is currently one of the top 5 teams in FBS football ( 33% of the systems say that !!!!!) 7 systems rank UCF #5 3 systems rank UCF # 4 7 systems rank UCF # 3 9 systems rank UCF # 2 3 systems rank UCF #1 ( Roundtable Retro , Mark, and Boyd ISR ) You and most of the posters around here hang you hats on the ranked this, ranked that, bullshit mythical system so that very system is saying UCF can play ! I don't need the mythical system to tell me that..but of course UCF will get no opportunities, even if it wins the rest of its games 50-0. |
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Post by ajbuckeye on Oct 31, 2017 2:49:16 GMT
If they had played anybody, they would have a shot, but being 7-0 with the 99th toughest schedule isn't going to turn many heads.
Nope....its a Cartel event only, Seriously : Take a look at BAMA's N/C schedule : (one single so called P5 very weak opponent) Florida St. Fresno St. Colorado St. Mercer and UCF's N/C schedule : ( twice as many P5 opponents) FIU Georgia Tech Maryland Maine Although GT game was cancelled and is not being made up. Puts them down to one P5. I give them credit for scheduling but an 11 game schedule hurts and they will need a lot of help. |
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Post by Hero on Oct 31, 2017 10:39:57 GMT
Sagarin's data. You're too hung up labels... You need to get informed, cpa. Sagarin's system is one of 88 assorted mythical systems in the Massey Rankings composite ( 1.1 %)...with no proof or guarantee that it is any more accurate than any of the others. Its all bull$hit. Anyway, since you sucked me into this moronic rankings crap ( the main problem with big time CF) I did a little research at the Massey Composite. I just compared the 3 FBS OOC opponents of Bama and UCF since most don't rank FCS and FBS together. Here's what the consensus currently says about rankings : BAMA (58.3 average ranked) -----\ FSU - 57th Fresno - 55th Col State - 63rd UCF (53.3 average ranked) ----- FIU - 77th Ga Tech - 32nd Maryland - 51st UCF has a tougher OOC schedule than Alabama. Now, hold on - my research continues with this : 29 of the 88 mythical systems at Massey Composite say that UCF is currently one of the top 5 teams in FBS football ( 33% of the systems say that !!!!!) 7 systems rank UCF #5 3 systems rank UCF # 4 7 systems rank UCF # 3 9 systems rank UCF # 2 3 systems rank UCF #1 ( Roundtable Retro , Mark, and Boyd ISR ) You and most of the posters around here hang you hats on the ranked this, ranked that, bullshit mythical system so that very system is saying UCF can play ! I don't need the mythical system to tell me that..but of course UCF will get no opportunities, even if it wins the rest of its games 50-0. You worry about polls and rank more than anyone I know. "29 of 88 systems say" ?? ...GOOD GRIEF |
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