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Post by tigercpa on Dec 1, 2017 18:43:23 GMT
There are no words as to the hurt her family and friends must be feeling.
Just like the OJ jury....they knew he was guilty.
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Post by Hero on Dec 1, 2017 18:49:19 GMT
Another victory for liberals.
How proud they must be..
SMMFH
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Post by tigercpa on Dec 1, 2017 18:59:11 GMT
Another victory for liberals. How proud they must be.. SMMFH They are crowing some now, but the backlash will come back 10-fold.
They did it to "send a message to Trump" (just like the OJ jury did - to send a message)....they will get theirs....
BUILD KATE'S WALL!
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Post by Bevo on Dec 1, 2017 19:25:33 GMT
There are no words as to the hurt her family and friends must be feeling.
Just like the OJ jury....they knew he was guilty.
I don't know... I read a little of the testimony from this trial. There is no way I would have voted for murder, 1st or 2nd degree. I would have thought an "involuntary manslaughter" charge could have been made, but... I'm not sure what is really required for that. You do know, the bullet that killed her ricocheted off a pole first? There was never any evidence that showed any reason why he would have killed her on purpose. |
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Post by tigercpa on Dec 1, 2017 19:55:20 GMT
There are no words as to the hurt her family and friends must be feeling.
Just like the OJ jury....they knew he was guilty.
I don't know... I read a little of the testimony from this trial. There is no way I would have voted for murder, 1st or 2nd degree. I would have thought an "involuntary manslaughter" charge could have been made, but... I'm not sure what is really required for that. You do know, the bullet that killed her ricocheted off a pole first? There was never any evidence that showed any reason why he would have killed her on purpose. Me too - manslaughter or involuntary manslaughter...If it's true it was a ricochet....
Kind of like the Zimmerman case, they overcharged and the jury would not find him guilty.
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Post by Bevo on Dec 1, 2017 20:26:13 GMT
Involuntary manslaughter was one of the options offered to jurors. But, I don't see where the prosecutors proved the guy was committing a crime at the time, or acting recklessly. I guess, BEING here is a sort of crime. But, I don't think it qualifies.
With VERY rare exceptions (Like OJ) I have very healthy respect for the jury process. Far more often than not, when I take the time to investigate the details of a trial (as they had to do) I end up agreeing with the verdict.
Apparently, this shooting was a tragic accident, that involved a guy who shouldn't be in the country. It could have been anyone.
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Post by Bevo on Dec 1, 2017 20:26:57 GMT
If it's true it was a ricochet It did... 78 feet away from her. |
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Post by Hero on Dec 2, 2017 1:38:12 GMT
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Post by Hero on Dec 2, 2017 2:19:28 GMT
Involuntary manslaughter was one of the options offered to jurors. But, I don't see where the prosecutors proved the guy was committing a crime at the time, or acting recklessly. I guess, BEING here is a sort of crime. But, I don't think it qualifies. With VERY rare exceptions (Like OJ) I have very healthy respect for the jury process. Far more often than not, when I take the time to investigate the details of a trial (as they had to do) I end up agreeing with the verdict. Apparently, this shooting was a tragic accident, that involved a guy who shouldn't be in the country. It could have been anyone. A felon in possession of a gun is a criminal act. A person is dead as a result of the criminal act. Let justice be done though the heavens fall. |
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Dec 2, 2017 10:21:53 GMT
There are no words as to the hurt her family and friends must be feeling.
Just like the OJ jury....they knew he was guilty.
I don't know... I read a little of the testimony from this trial. There is no way I would have voted for murder, 1st or 2nd degree. I would have thought an "involuntary manslaughter" charge could have been made, but... I'm not sure what is really required for that. You do know, the bullet that killed her ricocheted off a pole first? There was never any evidence that showed any reason why he would have killed her on purpose. Yes. The shot had ricocheted before striking Steine. Zarate was overcharged. |
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Post by Bevo on Dec 2, 2017 17:04:16 GMT
Involuntary manslaughter was one of the options offered to jurors. But, I don't see where the prosecutors proved the guy was committing a crime at the time, or acting recklessly. I guess, BEING here is a sort of crime. But, I don't think it qualifies. With VERY rare exceptions (Like OJ) I have very healthy respect for the jury process. Far more often than not, when I take the time to investigate the details of a trial (as they had to do) I end up agreeing with the verdict. Apparently, this shooting was a tragic accident, that involved a guy who shouldn't be in the country. It could have been anyone. A felon in possession of a gun is a criminal act. A person is dead as a result of the criminal act. Let justice be done though the heavens fall. True... and, as I understand, he was convicted of illegal possession, and given three years in prison. Which, seem appropriate to me, given what happened... IF it the shooting really was an accident.. as, all indications point to. I think he will also be prosecuted for coming here illegally multiple times... which, is a good thing. This was a good case, IMO, to rail against Sanctuary Cities... he SHOULDN'T have been here. FIVE times deported, and a convicted criminal. That's all good fodder to use against San Fran. But, murder is a different thing. It wasn't proven in this case. And, the implication of murder has been grossly overplayed by Trump, and many other conservatives. I don't think that kind of exaggeration helps our cause, in the long term. I'm comfortable that justice has been and will continue to be served in this case. |
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Dec 2, 2017 23:02:02 GMT
You are on target with all of the above.
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Post by Hero on Dec 3, 2017 2:35:21 GMT
A felon in possession of a gun is a criminal act. A person is dead as a result of the criminal act. Let justice be done though the heavens fall. I'm comfortable that justice has been and will continue to be served in this case. I'm not |
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Post by tigercpa on Dec 3, 2017 3:42:12 GMT
DoJ has issued an arrest warrant for him
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Dec 4, 2017 5:50:05 GMT
I'm comfortable that justice has been and will continue to be served in this case. I'm not Why not? |
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