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Post by EvilVodka on Jan 1, 2018 21:44:44 GMT
I can't understand any arguments for keeping UCF out of a playoff. They stand undefeated with a win over a team that went 2-1 against the current playoff field (Auburn went 2-1 against Clemson, Georgia, and Alabama during the regular season). Keeping them out does not make any sense.
As for Ohio State, the Big 10 has clearly shown they are the best conference this year, but their champion has been left out of the playoff.
The playoff needs to expand
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Post by Bevo on Jan 1, 2018 21:59:02 GMT
The committee made the correct decision based on the information they had in front of them AT the time.
UCF got screwed by a hurricane. That sucks. But, now they can forever claim that they should be Champ. Heck, probably 15-20 systems out there WlLL name them "Champs".
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Post by tigercpa on Jan 1, 2018 23:41:27 GMT
The committee made the correct decision based on the information they had in front of them AT the time. UCF got screwed by a hurricane. That sucks. But, now they can forever claim that they should be Champ. Heck, probably 15-20 systems out there WlLL name them "Champs". Hell, 12-13 of the feeder systems into Massey's composite already had them at #1 before the post season playoffs.
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Post by Hero on Jan 2, 2018 1:40:23 GMT
The playoff needs to expand I agree and have said so from day one. Waiting until the bowls to prove your worth is not the way to make the playoffs. OSU vs Iowa could not be ignored.
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Post by ajbuckeye on Jan 2, 2018 4:47:12 GMT
The playoff needs to expand I agree and have said so from day one. Waiting until the bowls to prove your worth is not the way to make the playoffs. OSU vs Iowa could not be ignored. Same argument could have been made with UCF against Alabama. tOSU had 3 better wins than Alabama but had one additional loss which was a bad one. Alabama had wins 16 and 24 and UCF had wins over 19 and 23. Bama also looked really bad in the loss to Auburn in the season finale where UCF won the AAC with an undefeated season.
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Post by Hero on Jan 2, 2018 4:55:31 GMT
I agree and have said so from day one. Waiting until the bowls to prove your worth is not the way to make the playoffs. OSU vs Iowa could not be ignored. Same argument could have been made with UCF against Alabama. tOSU had 3 better wins than Alabama but had one additional loss which was a bad one. Alabama had wins 16 and 24 and UCF had wins over 19 and 23. Bama also looked really bad in the loss to Auburn in the season finale where UCF won the AAC with an undefeated season. IOWA
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Post by ajbuckeye on Jan 2, 2018 5:01:09 GMT
Same argument could have been made with UCF against Alabama. tOSU had 3 better wins than Alabama but had one additional loss which was a bad one. Alabama had wins 16 and 24 and UCF had wins over 19 and 23. Bama also looked really bad in the loss to Auburn in the season finale where UCF won the AAC with an undefeated season. IOWA If Arkansas and Alabama switched resumes, do you really think the committee would have taken Arkansas over the rest of the field?
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Post by Hero on Jan 2, 2018 5:04:20 GMT
If Arkansas and Alabama switched resumes, do you really think the committee would have taken Arkansas over the rest of the field? I think OSU should have made the playoffs. I think UCF should have made the playoffs. I think USC should have made the playoffs. I think WISCONSIN should have made the playoffs. I think 8 teams should have made the playoffs. That is what I think.
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Post by bluehen on Jan 2, 2018 11:49:15 GMT
I can't understand any arguments for keeping UCF out of a playoff. They stand undefeated with a win over a team that went 2-1 against the current playoff field (Auburn went 2-1 against Clemson, Georgia, and Alabama during the regular season). Keeping them out does not make any sense. As for Ohio State, the Big 10 has clearly shown they are the best conference this year, but their champion has been left out of the playoff. The playoff needs to expand If this event wants to transition from mythical (voted) to real it must be more inclusive....but it's locked in with a TV contract for what...8 more years or something like that ?
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Post by bluehen on Jan 2, 2018 11:51:29 GMT
The NC board is 'thinking'
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Post by Bevo on Jan 2, 2018 14:10:25 GMT
I agree and have said so from day one. Waiting until the bowls to prove your worth is not the way to make the playoffs. OSU vs Iowa could not be ignored. Same argument could have been made with UCF against Alabama. tOSU had 3 better wins than Alabama but had one additional loss which was a bad one. Alabama had wins 16 and 24 and UCF had wins over 19 and 23. Bama also looked really bad in the loss to Auburn in the season finale where UCF won the AAC with an undefeated season. UCF had an argument, OSU did not. Either way, I think the committee made the correct decision, given the information they had, and the format currently used. Bama just proved them correct, yet again.
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Post by ajbuckeye on Jan 2, 2018 18:15:40 GMT
Same argument could have been made with UCF against Alabama. tOSU had 3 better wins than Alabama but had one additional loss which was a bad one. Alabama had wins 16 and 24 and UCF had wins over 19 and 23. Bama also looked really bad in the loss to Auburn in the season finale where UCF won the AAC with an undefeated season. UCF had an argument, OSU did not. Either way, I think the committee made the correct decision, given the information they had, and the format currently used. Bama just proved them correct, yet again. OSU argument to be taken over Alabama is more legitimate than Alabama being taken over UCF if you look at the numbers above. If you take a look back prior to the selections most of the so called experts were predicting that tOSU would be given the bid. Saying they had no argument is a ridiculous statement. Based on how the Bowl season panned out BAMA tOSU and UCF were are legitimate options and they all showed what they are capable of. BAMA was impressive last night and made Clemson looked as they were inept. I do agree with Evil and Hero that 8 would be far better than 4 as there are too many teams that are on the bubble that have a legitimate shot. Back in 2014 tOSU made it in by a thread and went on to win it. Who knows what TCU would have done. This year BAMA could have been on the outside and would have been denied the chace to play for the title. With the 4 team scenario my biggest complaint is the selection process. If they continue to stick with 4 then have the gurus get together and establish criteria that can be utilized in computer rankings. Then use the computer rankings to establish who the top 4 are.
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Post by bluehen on Jan 2, 2018 18:38:53 GMT
If Arkansas and Alabama switched resumes, do you really think the committee would have taken Arkansas over the rest of the field? I think OSU should have made the playoffs. I think UCF should have made the playoffs. I think USC should have made the playoffs. I think WISCONSIN should have made the playoffs. I think 8 teams should have made the playoffs. That is what I think. That is some impressive 'thinking'
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Post by Bevo on Jan 2, 2018 19:58:16 GMT
OSU argument to be taken over Alabama is more legitimate than Alabama being taken over UCF if you look at the numbers above. No, it's not. If it was, OSU would have been chosen. They weren't. BAD LOSSES matter...the most. If you take a look back prior to the selections most of the so called experts were predicting that tOSU would be given the bid. Only on Buckeye-loving ESPN shows. I GUARANTEED that they would NOT be selected.. on here, BEFORE the committee announced their results. Saying they had no argument is a ridiculous statement. You're right. They had an argument. It just wasn't the "best" one. Texas had an argument too. It was really terrible though. Based on how the Bowl season panned out BAMA tOSU and UCF were are legitimate options It all depends on what you're trying say they were "legitimate" for? Being good enough to emerge as a winner in an expanded playoff field? Absolutely, yes.. any of them COULD have done it. One might even say they were each LIKELY to do it. But, that's NOT what the committee was charged with determining. They were supposed to pick what they thought were the "best four teams", based on the information available at the time of selection. Not the "best four champions". They're supposed to consider the ENTIRE season, not just the last game. Bama was clearly considered to be one of the "best teams". Vegas had them favored over ALL other teams.. they're still favored over Georgia. That's all the proof needed to show that the committee was right. People who vote with MONEY, voted for Bama. If we're going to expand a playoff field to a size big enough that ANY team that MIGHT be good enough to win is in? It's going to be a REALLY big field. We'll be playing close to half the season in a playoff. What we have is a mess, but... it's generating a TON of interest, a TON of money, and it's set up in a way that keeps the NCAA from being sued. There's not a lot of incentive, from the University President's POV to change things. So, don't expect much of it.
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Post by EvilVodka on Jan 2, 2018 20:02:29 GMT
UCF had an argument, OSU did not. Either way, I think the committee made the correct decision, given the information they had, and the format currently used. Bama just proved them correct, yet again. OSU argument to be taken over Alabama is more legitimate than Alabama being taken over UCF if you look at the numbers above. If you take a look back prior to the selections most of the so called experts were predicting that tOSU would be given the bid. Saying they had no argument is a ridiculous statement. Based on how the Bowl season panned out BAMA tOSU and UCF were are legitimate options and they all showed what they are capable of. BAMA was impressive last night and made Clemson looked as they were inept. I do agree with Evil and Hero that 8 would be far better than 4 as there are too many teams that are on the bubble that have a legitimate shot. Back in 2014 tOSU made it in by a thread and went on to win it. Who knows what TCU would have done. This year BAMA could have been on the outside and would have been denied the chace to play for the title. With the 4 team scenario my biggest complaint is the selection process. If they continue to stick with 4 then have the gurus get together and establish criteria that can be utilized in computer rankings. Then use the computer rankings to establish who the top 4 are. Totally agree about the computer rankings Ohio State and UCF should have a shot this year
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