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Post by Bevo on Mar 19, 2016 19:06:56 GMT
Lol. Yea, right. That's why I picked more than half of them to win. Wichita St should never have been an 11 seed. There's a good deal more parity in basketball. Budgets are smaller, and 1-2 star players can make any team competitive. In the end though, it's nearly always one of the Top 4 seeds that wins. UConn, at an 8 seed was the lowest seed ever to win.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Mar 19, 2016 19:56:49 GMT
The seedings are by region, not overall. A #8 seeding would be #29 to #32 overall. The #8 seed Duke that won the national championship would have been excluded from a 16-team field -- even from a 24-team field.
Also, please note that a sizable number of "small schools" have had high seedings coming into the championship, and many have won the championship.
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Post by Bevo on Mar 19, 2016 19:59:56 GMT
The "game or two over the big guys" already totals 10 double-digit seeds that have won: 15, 14, 13, 12, 12, 11, 11, 11, 10, 10. No seed higher than an 8 has EVER even made it to the finals. Only two 8's have made it.... UK and Villanova. Only Villanova won as an 8. Only four 9 or higher seeds have EVER made the Final Four. NO 13-16 seed has EVER made it to the Elite 8 Face it man, everyone loves the cinderellas. But midnight strikes for them before the Final Four.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Mar 19, 2016 21:02:03 GMT
Lol.
You started with the "little schools winning one or two over the big guys". Then came stone silence when the one or two turned into ten -- and that didn't even count the "little schools" with single-digit seedings.
Next, the cat got your tongue when you learned that "little schools" have won numerous NCAA D-1 national championships.
You are going to tie yourself into knots if you keep it up.
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Post by Bevo on Mar 19, 2016 21:19:26 GMT
Lol. You started with the "little schools winning one or two over the big guys". Then came stone silence when the one or two turned into ten -- and that didn't even count the "little schools" with single-digit seedings. Next, the cat got your tongue when you learned that "little schools" have won numerous NCAA D-1 national championships. You are going to tie yourself into knots if you keep it up. What are you talking about? By winning "one or two", I wasn't saying only one or two wins for the entire tournament. I meant, a few small schools win one or two games.... Then, they go out. They have virtually NO CHANCE of actually winning the tournament. Too Many teams with NO CHANCE are in this thing. But, it's ok.... Even with this number, it only takes 3 weeks. So, no big deal.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Mar 19, 2016 21:53:07 GMT
Too funny.
You keep ignoring the simple fact that "little schools" have won numerous NCAA D-I basketball championships!
You seem to have the same difficulty dealing with this as you do with the fact that "little schools" have dominated power conference schools in major football bowls in the BCS/CFP era.
You and those of like mindset have good reason to fear an inclusive NCAA FBS national football championship.
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Post by Bevo on Mar 19, 2016 22:08:50 GMT
Duke is a "little school"... By size.
That's not what I'm talking about.
Texas is a huge school, but that had ZERO chance of winning this tournament.
I'm talking about having a bloated field, where more than half of the teams don't deserve to be here, and have ZERO chance of winning.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Mar 20, 2016 0:19:45 GMT
Duke is a major conference school, hence the "big boys" designation. Florida Atlantic and UCF are gargantuan, but compete in G5 conferences, hence the "little schools" misnomer.
"Little schools" in the not too distant past that have been D-I basketball national powers include Butler, Georgetown, UNLV, Wichita State, Providence, Villanova, Houston, Memphis and Gonzaga. Before that, there was tiny Davidson College, St. John's, San Francisco, Loyola-Chicago, NYU, Texas Western, CCNY and many others. Those were off the top of my head, and I am sure that I missed some.
If not for the NCAA D-I championships, we might not have ever known that the best of the "little schools" could compete quite effectively vs. the best of the "big boys".
Thanks to public pressure compelling the power football conferences to allow G5 conferences schools compete in major bowl games, we now know that the better "little schools" can compete quite effectively, and even dominate, the better "big boy" in major bowls.
However, if I was a fan of one of the "big boys" football programs, perhaps I too might fear an inclusive NCAA national football championship.
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Post by Bevo on Mar 20, 2016 14:28:14 GMT
Here's a question for the FCS experts on the board: What was the lowest seed for a FCS playoff champion? Who was the biggest upset champion?
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Mar 20, 2016 15:26:45 GMT
Here's a question for the FCS experts on the board: What was the lowest seed for a FCS playoff champion? Who was the biggest upset champion? I'll leave that to BH. For NCAA championships in general, my guess would be 2008 Fresno State baseball, which had lost 27 regular season games. The Bulldogs were seeded last in the Long Beach regional, which was one of 16 regionals. So, Fresno State was one of the bottom 16 in a 64-team field, which equates to between 49th and 64th overall.
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Post by bluehen on Mar 21, 2016 14:14:56 GMT
Here's a question for the FCS experts on the board: What was the lowest seed for a FCS playoff champion? Who was the biggest upset champion? I'll leave that to BH. For NCAA championships in general, my guess would be 2008 Fresno State baseball, which had lost 27 regular season games. The Bulldogs were seeded last in the Long Beach regional, which was one of 16 regionals. So, Fresno State was one of the bottom 16 in a 64-team field, which equates to between 49th and 64th overall. Since there are only 4 'seeded' teams in the NCAA D1 football playoffs I would guess the answer to be 4
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Post by Bevo on Mar 21, 2016 15:04:01 GMT
I'll leave that to BH. For NCAA championships in general, my guess would be 2008 Fresno State baseball, which had lost 27 regular season games. The Bulldogs were seeded last in the Long Beach regional, which was one of 16 regionals. So, Fresno State was one of the bottom 16 in a 64-team field, which equates to between 49th and 64th overall. Since there are only 4 'seeded' teams in the NCAA D1 football playoffs I would guess the answer to be 4
Do they seed more in the D2 or D3 fields?
How many teams enter the tourney in the D1 field?
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Post by Bevo on Mar 21, 2016 15:17:52 GMT
The "game or two over the big guys" already totals 10 double-digit seeds that have won: 15, 14, 13, 12, 12, 11, 11, 11, 10, 10.
Well, 8 of those 10 double digit seeds are now gone.... one more will disappear in the next round, since the two remaining play each other.
I suspect the last one standing will disappear in the following round. Bringing a year like most years, with no double digit seed in the Final 4.
62% of the remaining field are 1-4 seeds.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Mar 21, 2016 15:32:31 GMT
One of the double-digit seeds is certain to advance to the final 8, as two are facing each other. Another "little school" is also in the sweet 16 - Villanova is a #2 seed.
I must have missed your response about Fresno State winning the NCAA baseball championship, from possibly being the #64 seed, best case the #49 seed, in a 64-team field...
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Post by Bevo on Mar 21, 2016 16:02:04 GMT
One of the double-digit seeds is certain to advance to the final 8, as two are facing each other. Another "little school" is also in the sweet 16 - Villanova is a #2 seed. I must have missed your response about Fresno State winning the NCAA baseball championship, from possibly being the #64 seed, best case the #49 seed, in a 64-team field... Villanova is in the Big East, which I would consider a "Major" Conference... for Basketball, at least.
I don't recall asking about baseball championships? Am I supposed to respond to every random answer you give?
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