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Post by tigercpa on Jun 14, 2021 19:10:40 GMT
The whole move to 12 is money-driven. Why do they have to ruin the best post-season in sports? Money. Who benefits from 12 teams? SEC teams that can't get past Bama, and the P-12. Likely get 5-6 SEC teams each year. Is that what people want? If the proposed format had been in place since 2014, 15 three-loss teams would have gotten in the playoff, including 4 in 2016 and 2018. Do we want 3-loss teams playing? Saban correctly predicted that four-team playoffs - and more specifically the media’s obsession with it - would hurt the bowl system. It certainly has, but a playoff expansion would be the final straw. Traditions will fade. That’s sad. The scenarios for conference championship game losers are a bit ridiculous. On one hand, if they drop out of the top 12 with a loss, then they would be better off not qualifying. They shouldn’t be punished for winning their division. What if they’re securely in the top 12, but have to play an elite team for the conference championship? Can they opt out? Teams without hope of making the playoff will really have nothing to play for. The already de-valued trips to bowl games, further exeacerbated by NFL draft opt-outs, will be rendered even less entertaning. Would fans of teams that are 5-4 have any reason to watch the remainder of their season? Who cares about a bowl invite (if they even still exist)? The system we have now is the best in sports at crowning the most deserving champion. Only one time in the playoff era could you even consider arguing that a team “got hot” and won. The 2014 Buckeyes would be that team, but they were also highly deserving of being there. The best teams will still usually win in a 12-team format, but injuries and randomness will play a larger role. Why not have a G5 CFP as well? That would be more exciting than watching some Pennzoil bowl played in BFE. A 12-team playoff will open up the sport in unimagined ways...it will be way better in the long run
You're still going to have the top teams that get byes winning it all...if anything you'll have 1 good team emerge from the rest of the field that might make it to the semifinals
Most of all, the games will be played on the field, not in the minds of mindless twats hired by ESPN...good bye eye test
Let's not kid ourselves, here either. 2 years into this 12-team apparatus, and folks will clamor for 16. This of course leads us to the point that it will only get worse. The NCAA basketball tournament still won’t stop expanding! Last year, coaches came out in favor of literally every team making the field. If you don’t think talk of a 16-team playoff will start a couple years into the 12-game playoff era, you’re kidding yourself. The NFL just expanded to 14 teams and they only have 32 teams in the league. This isn’t the end, just next. 12 or more teams is an awful idea.
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Post by tigercpa on Jun 14, 2021 19:18:30 GMT
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Post by bluehen on Jun 14, 2021 23:03:52 GMT
No question, the regular season is devalued. Really? How so? Just the opposite. 300% more playoff teams will offer 300% more meaningful games..... and finally, FINALLY !...winning something in the regular season, like a league title, will have value....at least for 6 teams.
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Post by Bevo on Jun 15, 2021 1:48:02 GMT
I totally agree with you Tiger. But, the ship has sailed. College football, as we all knew it growing up, is dead. Something new will take its place; a season long positioning for a year-end, winner take all tourney. Now, only ONE team will end the season on a high note. And losses in September won’t matter at all. No passion till the end of November.
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Post by tigercpa on Jun 15, 2021 12:11:10 GMT
I totally agree with you Tiger. But, the ship has sailed. College football, as we all knew it growing up, is dead. Something new will take its place; a season long positioning for a year-end, winner take all tourney. Now, only ONE team will end the season on a high note. And losses in September won’t matter at all. No passion till the end of November. I know, doesn't mean we have to like it. It used to be that going to the Orange, Sugar, Rose, Cotton, Peach was a REWARD for having a pretty damn good season, even if not undefeated. Hell, I felt like a Clemson win in the Gator Bowl carried post-season weight. It's all about money...that and the SEC decided to go with this....for more money. I saw an estimate yesterday that would quintuple the money from $460 million for CFP to over $2 billion in TV and related revenues. The PAC-12's share is prjected to increase by $50-$100 MILLION. They are determined to destroy the best post-season.
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Post by tigercpa on Jun 15, 2021 12:15:36 GMT
And the fan impact?
For the top 4 seeds, you don't get to play at home. Traveling to 3 neutral sites in a row will get damned expensive.
Will fans be forced to choose between regular season tickets or paying for playoff tickets? Sure, each team has fans that can easily afford both, but can the average fan? Flights, vacation time, hotels, food?
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Post by bluehen on Jun 15, 2021 12:17:13 GMT
The "best" post season?......100 plus years of post season exhibition games when all other team sports have post season championships ?
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Post by tigercpa on Jun 15, 2021 13:54:21 GMT
Just the opposite. 300% more playoff teams will offer 300% more meaningful games..... and finally, FINALLY !...winning something in the regular season, like a league title, will have value....at least for 6 teams.
How is Bama beating Cincinnati 54-10 meaningful in the big picture? 4 is good. A floating number of teams is best. Like the Heisman. There’s been a lot of statistics by Phil Steele and others. Most years there are 2-4 teams reasonably likely to be the best. There’s never been 5. Usually there are 2. College football is unique in not having the absurd bloat of other championships....until now. It seems real silly to upend the entire season and remove games and such just to help out teams like Cinci and Texas A&M that have no legit claim that they’re championship worthy.
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Post by bluehen on Jun 15, 2021 14:11:59 GMT
In team sports, in general, all teams that have won league or conference championships within that sport have the opportunity to compete for the overall championship of that sport. Only one single segment of one sport exists in which a few teams are voted into some exclusive post season event (even if they couldn't even win their own league or even a division within their own league) and fraudulently name it a 'championship'....purely mythical, pop entertainment.
Also - only one segment of one sport ( on planet Earth) exists in which the , so called, fraudulently named championship of that sport is NOT administered by the governing body of that sport....purely renegade.
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Post by tigercpa on Jun 15, 2021 16:59:09 GMT
In team sports, in general, all teams that have won league or conference championships within that sport have the opportunity to compete for the overall championship of that sport. Only one single segment of one sport exists in which a few teams are voted into some exclusive post season event (even if they couldn't even win their own league or even a division within their own league) and fraudulently name it a 'championship'....purely mythical, pop entertainment. Also - only one segment of one sport ( on planet Earth) exists in which the , so called, fraudulently named championship of that sport is NOT administered by the governing body of that sport....purely renegade. So, you are willing to trade "access" for excellence? College football is subjective, and no playoff format will change that. It's a sport that has teams, conferences, rosters, facilities and budgets that are not equal.
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Post by bluehen on Jun 15, 2021 17:17:23 GMT
With equal opportunity teams and leagues could possibly become a little more equal....at least the playing field would be more equal.. Equal opportunity is he American way,cpa.....in real life and sports.
Built in oppression and exclusion is not healthy.....in real life or sports
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Post by tigercpa on Jun 15, 2021 18:44:17 GMT
With equal opportunity teams and leagues could possibly become a little more equal....at least the playing field would be more equal.. Equal opportunity is he American way,cpa.....in real life and sports. Built in oppression and exclusion is not healthy.....in real life or sports A 12-team model would have created in previous seasons: Penn State at Notre Dame; Florida at Michigan; UCF at Alabama; USC at Wisconsin; Florida State at Michigan. Hen, what do you think about FLA having to travel to Michigan in late December? Or USC to Madison, FSU to Michigan? 20 degrees at gametime?
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Post by tigercpa on Jun 15, 2021 21:54:04 GMT
2020 CFP matchups if new format was used:
5 Texas A&M vs 12 Coastal Carolina 6 Oklahoma vs 11 Indiana 7 Florida vs 10 Iowa State 8 Cincinnati vs 9 Georgia
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Post by bluehen on Jun 16, 2021 13:04:23 GMT
With equal opportunity teams and leagues could possibly become a little more equal....at least the playing field would be more equal.. Equal opportunity is he American way,cpa.....in real life and sports. Built in oppression and exclusion is not healthy.....in real life or sports A 12-team model would have created in previous seasons: Penn State at Notre Dame; Florida at Michigan; UCF at Alabama; USC at Wisconsin; Florida State at Michigan. Hen, what do you think about FLA having to travel to Michigan in late December? Or USC to Madison, FSU to Michigan? 20 degrees at gametime? I would find that pretty interesting with teams from the sweet sunny South having to play in 'man' weather, although with today's athletic clothing technology it's not nearly as challenging for sissy weather athletes to perform well in man weather. The NFL is a perfect example.
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Post by ajbuckeye on Jun 18, 2021 16:54:44 GMT
A 12-team model would have created in previous seasons: Penn State at Notre Dame; Florida at Michigan; UCF at Alabama; USC at Wisconsin; Florida State at Michigan. Hen, what do you think about FLA having to travel to Michigan in late December? Or USC to Madison, FSU to Michigan? 20 degrees at gametime? I would find that pretty interesting with teams from the sweet sunny South having to play in 'man' weather, although with today's athletic clothing technology it's not nearly as challenging for sissy weather athletes to perform well in man weather. The NFL is a perfect example. Playing a home game in Columbus in late December would be a huge advantage against a southern team. One of my favorite NFL memories is watching the Air Coryell taking the high octane offense into the Jungle with anti Buckeye Enthusiast Fouts. Fouts looked like a lost puppy with his tail between his legs as he rolled over and took it in the chin 27 -2 in -20 degree weather.
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