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Post by Bevo on Feb 9, 2016 14:52:39 GMT
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Post by GatorGrad on Feb 9, 2016 15:11:21 GMT
LOL...and for your next thread, "Why I'll NEVER cheer for the Oklahoma Sooners!"
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Feb 9, 2016 15:51:12 GMT
Bernie wants a 90% tax rate for you.
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Post by Bevo on Feb 10, 2016 2:19:49 GMT
LOL...and for your next thread, "Why I'll NEVER cheer for the Oklahoma Sooners!" Ok. Ya got me there. I will say though, I respect Bernie. He's honest about what he says and believes. I'm happy to debate people on honest terms. If my side loses? Well, we lose... Need to get better. Losing to LIARS like Obama, is harder to take. |
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Post by Hero on Feb 10, 2016 2:35:23 GMT
More taxes will solve EVERYTHING.
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Post by Bevo on Feb 10, 2016 2:45:57 GMT
More taxes will solve EVERYTHING. You mean, "More taxes FROM YOU will solve everything."  |
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Post by aufan59 on Feb 10, 2016 4:18:11 GMT
First of all, 47% aren't "takers". It is pathetic you still use this number. The baby boomers were lucky. Wages rose with productivity increases. A high school graduate could work in a factory and make enough to support a stay at home mom, kids, retirement and a home and be set for life. Now a college graduate has to be saddled with debt (see below*) to be in a worse off position than a baby boomer high school grad. I'm an engineering graduate with no debt, a good job, minimal living expenses. I have chosen saving money for retirement rather than having children, buying houses and luxuries. If only I were a baby boomer and I wouldn't have to choose, even if I were just a highschool graduate. Wages no longer rise with productivity or profits. The longer this continues, the bigger a problem income inequality gets. How long can the 0.1% earn more than the majority before the majority rebel? I think we've seen this in history before.... *(Note on higher education) Looking at Texas: inflation adjusted tuition rates from 1970 to 2002 shows a 400% increase in instate natural sciences degrees. A further look shows that Tuition jumped another 104% from 2003 to 2013. |
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Post by Hero on Feb 10, 2016 5:27:11 GMT
First of all, 47% aren't "takers". It is pathetic you still use this number. I agree...that number seems mighty low these days. |
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Post by Bevo on Feb 10, 2016 13:35:51 GMT
First of all, 47% aren't "takers". It is pathetic you still use this number. The baby boomers were lucky. Wages rose with productivity increases. A high school graduate could work in a factory and make enough to support a stay at home mom, kids, retirement and a home and be set for life. Now a college graduate has to be saddled with debt (see below*) to be in a worse off position than a baby boomer high school grad. I'm an engineering graduate with no debt, a good job, minimal living expenses. I have chosen saving money for retirement rather than having children, buying houses and luxuries. If only I were a baby boomer and I wouldn't have to choose, even if I were just a highschool graduate. Wages no longer rise with productivity or profits. The longer this continues, the bigger a problem income inequality gets. How long can the 0.1% earn more than the majority before the majority rebel? I think we've seen this in history before.... *(Note on higher education) Looking at Texas: inflation adjusted tuition rates from 1970 to 2002 shows a 400% increase in instate natural sciences degrees. A further look shows that Tuition jumped another 104% from 2003 to 2013.
"takers" is a nicer word than "parasite"... I hope the number is lower than that, but... I'm not sure it is.
You have made a CHOICE to not marry, have kids and a house. It is still possible today for a person in your position to have these things, AND save for retirement. People are doing it all around you. Don't blame YOUR choice on society. It sounds like whining.
When I was doing those things.. mortgage rates were 21%. Meanwhile, my bosses were living is HUGE houses, with 3.5% loans. IE: Every generation has challenges to face.
Wages do need to rise... They aren't likely to do so as long as we keep flooding the country with cheap, immigrant labor.. while at the same time, automating many jobs.
The cost of higher education is out of control, and has been for quite a long time. Why do you suppose that is? Could it be: Government has distorted the market by throwing huge amounts of cheap, or even free, money at it? The schools have had NO NEED to control cost. Instead, they're incentivized to spend even more.. to entice prospective students (and the money that comes with them) to choose their school. It's a mess, and it's changing now...
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Post by GatorGrad on Feb 10, 2016 14:08:52 GMT
College tuition is definitely an issue. I read an article a few years ago by Mark Cuban about the "education bubble" which made sense to me. These schools keep raising fees for tuition, dorms, etc. Schools are competing for students so they want to build more fancy dorms with pools / waterfalls, and dining halls that serve filet mignon. Eventually someone will have an on-campus spa with complimentary massages for every student once a week to help them deal with the "stress" of their economics exam.
When a high school senior sees this, they have to have it whether their parents can afford it or not. Enter student loans. Students are graduating with debt that the job they get as a result of their degree cannot support. At what point is the value of a degree just not worth it anymore? I'm not talking about something specialized. If you want to be a pharmacist, doctor, accountant, etc then fine. But there's no way I'm paying hundreds of thousands of dollars for my daughters to get a degree in "humanities" or something general like that. I would rather invest that money and help them start a business.
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Post by tigercpa on Feb 10, 2016 15:54:42 GMT
Just saw this morning from OMB:
70% of the new budget for the US involves writing checks to individuals...holy crap.
You are right Bevo, I too suspect it's way worse that 47%
Again, I am not against giving people a temporary safety net...keys words being both "temporary" and "safety"
What we have done is simply given people complete lifestyles. It's now more economically beneficial to sponge rather than work.
Poor people here in the US would be upper middle class in most other countries - central heat and air, internet service, microwaves, iPhones, etc. all of these are not necessary for survival.
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Post by EvilVodka on Feb 10, 2016 16:12:57 GMT
Just saw this morning from OMB: 70% of the new budget for the US involves writing checks to individuals...holy crap. You are right Bevo, I too suspect it's way worse that 47% Again, I am not against giving people a temporary safety net...keys words being both "temporary" and "safety" What we have done is simply given people complete lifestyles. It's now more economically beneficial to sponge rather than work. Poor people here in the US would be upper middle class in most other countries - central heat and air, internet service, microwaves, iPhones, etc. all of these are not necessary for survival. good idea...blame the poor people |
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Post by tigercpa on Feb 10, 2016 17:10:32 GMT
College tuition is definitely an issue. I read an article a few years ago by Mark Cuban about the "education bubble" which made sense to me. These schools keep raising fees for tuition, dorms, etc. Schools are competing for students so they want to build more fancy dorms with pools / waterfalls, and dining halls that serve filet mignon. Eventually someone will have an on-campus spa with complimentary massages for every student once a week to help them deal with the "stress" of their economics exam. When a high school senior sees this, they have to have it whether their parents can afford it or not. Enter student loans. Students are graduating with debt that the job they get as a result of their degree cannot support. At what point is the value of a degree just not worth it anymore? I'm not talking about something specialized. If you want to be a pharmacist, doctor, accountant, etc then fine. But there's no way I'm paying hundreds of thousands of dollars for my daughters to get a degree in "humanities" or something general like that. I would rather invest that money and help them start a business. Currently over $1 Trillion, yes with a T in student loans...
Article out a while back that some of these students have not made a payment in 3 years after graduation.
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Post by tigercpa on Feb 10, 2016 17:42:10 GMT
More taxes will solve EVERYTHING. You mean, "More taxes FROM YOU will solve everything." +1 |
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Post by tigercpa on Feb 10, 2016 18:21:02 GMT
Just saw this morning from OMB: 70% of the new budget for the US involves writing checks to individuals...holy crap. You are right Bevo, I too suspect it's way worse that 47% Again, I am not against giving people a temporary safety net...keys words being both "temporary" and "safety" What we have done is simply given people complete lifestyles. It's now more economically beneficial to sponge rather than work. Poor people here in the US would be upper middle class in most other countries - central heat and air, internet service, microwaves, iPhones, etc. all of these are not necessary for survival. good idea...blame the poor people I'm not blaming poor people. They are simply being used by politicians who will pander to them. They are merely voting for people who promise them things.
Continually giving them everything is just a different form of slavery, and long term, eliminates their drive and self-esteem.
These people "vote for a living," literally and figuratively.
This is the battle, as Bevo described. People with their lips permanently fastened to government tits outnumber those of us who are paying for it all.
Everybody views the "other guy's check" as the check that's causing the problem. The popularity of Sanders, and by default socialism, coupled with the fact the number of parasites outnumber those who make up the host proves that beyond any doubt in my mind.
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