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Post by cjhawkeyes on Nov 12, 2017 20:04:10 GMT
Standings are wonderful for the MLB playoffs. 162 games with lots of intersecting data points and many games against other teams. College football with 12 games, and only one game against a team, not so much. None of those things are necessary to determine standings based on games played. If they were, how do voters get around those problems?
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Post by tigercpa on Nov 12, 2017 21:47:49 GMT
Cute. But, it is a fact that the NCAA has been conducting national championship playoffs for decades in every division and in most sports, and there has rarely been a squawk about the selection process. Compare that to the controversies that have surrounded the BCS and now the CFP every year. Hmm... maybe buzz and controversies are more profitable?
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Post by tigercpa on Nov 12, 2017 21:49:04 GMT
Standings are wonderful for the MLB playoffs. 162 games with lots of intersecting data points and many games against other teams. College football with 12 games, and only one game against a team, not so much. None of those things are necessary to determine standings based on games played. If they were, how do voters get around those problems? Agree, but suppose we have a year where there are 7 undefeated P5 teams.
Does everyone tie for 1st place?
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Post by cjhawkeyes on Nov 12, 2017 22:35:19 GMT
None of those things are necessary to determine standings based on games played. If they were, how do voters get around those problems? Agree, but suppose we have a year where there are 7 undefeated P5 teams.
Does everyone tie for 1st place?
5 is most possible and that is where SOS comes into play. Comes down to how SOS is objectively defined.
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Post by ajbuckeye on Nov 13, 2017 2:02:31 GMT
Cute. But, it is a fact that the NCAA has been conducting national championship playoffs for decades in every division and in most sports, and there has rarely been a squawk about the selection process. Compare that to the controversies that have surrounded the BCS and now the CFP every year. NCAA hoops has controversy every year but since it is about selecting who is the 34th best at large team (which equates to about 50th best overall team) there is next to no discussion about after selection sunday becuase no. 34 at large never survives the weekend. How many games did you watch in football this weekend that mattered? Compare that to how many games you will watch the 2nd week of February in hoops that really matter? We had about 8 playoff caliber games this weekend. That never happen in college basketball. This weekend games are weak but starting next weekend we will have no less than 5 play-in games and the Championship weekend we will have probably another 5 play-in caliber games.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Nov 13, 2017 17:17:34 GMT
Cute. But, it is a fact that the NCAA has been conducting national championship playoffs for decades in every division and in most sports, and there has rarely been a squawk about the selection process. Compare that to the controversies that have surrounded the BCS and now the CFP every year. NCAA hoops has controversy every year but since it is about selecting who is the 34th best at large team (which equates to about 50th best overall team) there is next to no discussion about after selection sunday becuase no. 34 at large never survives the weekend. How many games did you watch in football this weekend that mattered? Compare that to how many games you will watch the 2nd week of February in hoops that really matter? We had about 8 playoff caliber games this weekend. That never happen in college basketball. This weekend games are weak but starting next weekend we will have no less than 5 play-in games and the Championship weekend we will have probably another 5 play-in caliber games. I can see that you are trying to make a point. If it is that basketball and football are different, I will agree, although I don’t think that the difference makes much of a difference. The NCAA has conducted championship playoffs in numerous sports for decades, including 3 football playoffs each year.
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Post by Bevo on Nov 13, 2017 22:55:42 GMT
The NCAA has conducted championship playoffs in numerous sports for decades, including 3 football playoffs each year. NCAA participation in this process means NOTHING... actually, LESS than nothing. If the member institutions want to choose Papa John's pizza to organize a championship, it is LEGIT.. since, it will be the teams involved that agree to it. The NCAA is nothing more than a group of member institutions. The NCAA has no more power or authority than that granted to it by the members. If these same members choose to form a new committee to organize a Championship... it is NO LESS LEGTITIMATE than anything the NCAA might be able to do.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Nov 14, 2017 13:39:38 GMT
The NCAA has conducted championship playoffs in numerous sports for decades, including 3 football playoffs each year. NCAA participation in this process means NOTHING... actually, LESS than nothing. If the member institutions want to choose Papa John's pizza to organize a championship, it is LEGIT.. since, it will be the teams involved that agree to it. The NCAA is nothing more than a group of member institutions. The NCAA has no more power or authority than that granted to it by the members. If these same members choose to form a new committee to organize a Championship... it is NO LESS LEGTITIMATE than anything the NCAA might be able to do. Utter nonsense. Goofy. The “member institutions” have not decided to do anything. Only half of the conferences of one NCAA football subdivision have decide to conduct a 4-team playoff. That makes it a legitimate national championship? I have asked numerous times: national championship of what? The NCAA? FBS? The P5 conferences? Indian Crickets? Any minor bowl could declare its winner to be the national champion. It would be every bit as legitimate of a national championship as would be the CFP. What if 4 boxers affiliated with the WBC decide to conduct a tourney among themselves, and get a neighborhood grocery to sponsor it. That presumably would be for a legitimate world championship - in your book.
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Post by Bevo on Nov 14, 2017 21:17:54 GMT
I have asked numerous times: national championship of what? yes... you've asked that question many times. And, I have ANSWERED it, many times. This is the reason it's pointless, and even counter-productive discuss much of anything with you. You don't bother to read what others say. Or else, you just ignore or forget it.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Nov 15, 2017 1:36:54 GMT
I have asked numerous times: national championship of what? yes... you've asked that question many times. And, I have ANSWERED it, many times. This is the reason it's pointless, and even counter-productive discuss much of anything with you. You don't bother to read what others say. Or else, you just ignore or forget it. You won’t answer it because you can’t answer it! You tried once, and failed miserably. The reigning NCAA D-I football national champion is James Madison University. It says so on the trophy that was awarded by the NCAA. JMU won the championship playoff that was sanctioned and conducted by the NCAA. The CFP trophy is “presented” by Dr. Pepper! The CFP isn’t sanctioned by Dr. Pepper or anyone else.
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Post by Bevo on Nov 15, 2017 13:56:32 GMT
yes... you've asked that question many times. And, I have ANSWERED it, many times. This is the reason it's pointless, and even counter-productive discuss much of anything with you. You don't bother to read what others say. Or else, you just ignore or forget it. You won’t answer it because you can’t answer it! You tried once, and failed miserably "tried once"? What a laugh. I've answered that question a thousand times on this board. The answer is so patently obvious it's even listed on Wikipedia. It's just a few key strokes away for you, anytime you want an answer. The CFP Champion is the Champion of NCAA Div 1 FBS Division. So far, they've all been pretty much "undisputed" Champions. The limitations of this format might one day produce a team with a legitimate beef. It hasn't yet. I COULD be generous and say it's the Champion of the P5 conferences...For sure, ALL P5 conferences are 100% on board with this format and are willing participants. Try as you might, you can't change the reality of this. Perhaps, you can go outside and scream at the sky? I hear this technique was very therapeutic for all the other Hillary supporters.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Nov 15, 2017 15:19:39 GMT
You won’t answer it because you can’t answer it! You tried once, and failed miserably "tried once"? What a laugh. I've answered that question a thousand times on this board. The answer is so patently obvious it's even listed on Wikipedia. It's just a few key strokes away for you, anytime you want an answer. The CFP Champion is the Champion of NCAA Div 1 FBS Division. So far, they've all been pretty much "undisputed" Champions. The limitations of this format might one day produce a team with a legitimate beef. It hasn't yet. I COULD be generous and say it's the Champion of the P5 conferences...For sure, ALL P5 conferences are 100% on board with this format and are willing participants. Try as you might, you can't change the reality of this. Perhaps, you can go outside and scream at the sky? I hear this technique was very therapeutic for all the other Hillary supporters. Wrong, on all counts. Once again, you are making stuff up. The CFP only claims that the winner is the CFP national champion. Any bowl could make a comparable claim. Look carefully at the CFP trophy. Nowhere does the trophy say NCAA - or FBS or P5. The NCAA does not sanction the CFP as an NCAA championship at any level, P5, FBS or D-I. The NCAA recognizes James Madison as the national champion for all of D-I. Look at JMU’s trophy. It actually does say NCAA D-I national champion. The NCAA has never sanctioned a national championship for FBS football. BTW - 1969 Texas was the Richard Nixon national champion. Now, that is something to be proud of...
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Post by Bevo on Nov 15, 2017 19:01:51 GMT
Go ahead Mr. Quixote, yell at the sky. It won't make any difference. The FBS teams know what the CFP means, and they ALL want to be in it.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Nov 15, 2017 21:56:45 GMT
Go ahead Mr. Quixote, yell at the sky. It won't make any difference. The FBS teams what the CFP means, and they ALL want to be in it. No need to yell at the sky, when all I have to do is to calmly state the truth - as uncomfortable as that might be for you. Did you notice how cool I remained even when you lied about my being a Hillary supporter? I agree that all FBS teams want to compete in the CFP, because the payday is huge. But, the reality is that half of the FBS teams are effectively blocked from any chance of participating before the season even begins. However, the money does not and can never qualify the CFP as the legitimate NCAA FBS championship, as you wrongly claim.
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Post by Hero on Nov 16, 2017 1:51:48 GMT
Go ahead Mr. Quixote, yell at the sky. It won't make any difference. The FBS teams what the CFP means, and they ALL want to be in it. No need to yell at the sky, when all I have to do is to calmly state the truth - as uncomfortable as that might be for you. Did you notice how cool I remained even when you lied about my being a Hillary supporter? I agree that all FBS teams want to compete in the CFP, because the payday is huge. But, the reality is that half of the FBS teams are effectively blocked from any chance of participating before the season even begins. However, the money does not and can never qualify the CFP as the legitimate NCAA FBS championship, as you wrongly claim. Pure speculation on every point.
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