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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Nov 16, 2017 2:08:41 GMT
Yes, I was agreeing with Bevo’s speculation that all FBS teams would hope to play in the CFP.
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Post by Hero on Nov 16, 2017 2:13:22 GMT
Yes, I was agreeing with Bevo’s speculation that all FBS teams would hope to play in the CFP. I'm talking about your points, not his. Were I talking about his I would have quoted him.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Nov 16, 2017 3:00:09 GMT
My point was that I was agreeing with his point.
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Post by Hero on Nov 16, 2017 4:06:57 GMT
My point was that I was agreeing with his point. If true, that would be a first.
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Post by Bevo on Nov 16, 2017 6:45:06 GMT
My point was that I was agreeing with his point. because you know it's true. The teams themselves were involved in the setup of the CFP system, they actively participate... and they accept that the winner is the Champion of their league. As do the team's fans and the media that covers the sport. The NCAA nods in approval and offers NO challenge to the system. Why would they? The NCAA is run by the same schools. That is ALL that is required to make it legitimate. They don't need the FHF sanction. (which, is worth even less than the NCAA's)
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Nov 16, 2017 11:23:58 GMT
My point was that I was agreeing with his point. If true, that would be a first. Nope, not a first by a long shot. I probably agree with Bevo, and Donald Trump, on most things.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Nov 16, 2017 11:47:03 GMT
My point was that I was agreeing with his point. because you know it's true. The teams themselves were involved in the setup of the CFP system, they actively participate... and they accept that the winner is the Champion of their league. As do the team's fans and the media that covers the sport. The NCAA nods in approval and offers NO challenge to the system. Why would they? The NCAA is run by the same schools. That is ALL that is required to make it legitimate. They don't need the FHF sanction. (which, is worth even less than the NCAA's) I do agree that non-P5 teams hope to have an opportunity to compete in the CFP. I can’t imagine any team turning down such a payday. As usual, the rest of your SPECULATION (Hero’s hot button word of the week) is utter nonsense. The CFP has never claimed that the winner is the NCAA FBS champion, and neither of the acronyms “NCAA nor FBS” has ever appeared on the CFP’s mythical national championship trophy. However, the acronyms “NCAA and D-I” are prominent on James Madison’s real NCAA D-I national championship trophy. The NCAA also “nods approval and offers no challenge” to a wide array of bowl games. Just curious though, when have I ever sanctioned anyone or anything? I have made no claim to being a governing body. I simply point out facts and speak the truth.
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Post by Bevo on Nov 16, 2017 12:31:33 GMT
because you know it's true. The teams themselves were involved in the setup of the CFP system, they actively participate... and they accept that the winner is the Champion of their league. As do the team's fans and the media that covers the sport. The NCAA nods in approval and offers NO challenge to the system. Why would they? The NCAA is run by the same schools. That is ALL that is required to make it legitimate. They don't need the FHF sanction. (which, is worth even less than the NCAA's) I do agree that non-P5 teams hope to have an opportunity to compete in the CFP. I can’t imagine any team turning down such a payday. As usual, the rest of your SPECULATION (Hero’s hot button word of the week) is utter nonsense. The CFP has never claimed that the winner is the NCAA FBS champion, and neither of the acronyms “NCAA nor FBS” has ever appeared on the CFP’s mythical national championship trophy. However, the acronyms “NCAA and D-I” are prominent on James Madison’s real NCAA D-I national championship trophy. The NCAA also “nods approval and offers no challenge” to a wide array of bowl games. Just curious though, when have I ever sanctioned anyone or anything? I have made no claim to being a governing body. I simply point out facts and speak the truth. It is not “fact” or “truth” that the CFP Champion is not legitimate. That is simply your opinion. It is an opinion that is not widely shared. Especially not by the people who make t-shirts and hats or write the material on Wikipedia.
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Post by tigercpa on Nov 16, 2017 15:28:45 GMT
I do agree that non-P5 teams hope to have an opportunity to compete in the CFP. I can’t imagine any team turning down such a payday. As usual, the rest of your SPECULATION (Hero’s hot button word of the week) is utter nonsense. The CFP has never claimed that the winner is the NCAA FBS champion, and neither of the acronyms “NCAA nor FBS” has ever appeared on the CFP’s mythical national championship trophy. However, the acronyms “NCAA and D-I” are prominent on James Madison’s real NCAA D-I national championship trophy. The NCAA also “nods approval and offers no challenge” to a wide array of bowl games. Just curious though, when have I ever sanctioned anyone or anything? I have made no claim to being a governing body. I simply point out facts and speak the truth. It is not “fact” or “truth” that the CFP Champion is not legitimate. That is simply your opinion. It is an opinion that is not widely shared. Especially not by the people who make t-shirts and hats or write the material on Wikipedia. Yep, still waiting on that NCAA lawsuit to hit Clemson for the National Championship T-shirts and hats they sold.
As a purchaser of many of those type items, I guess I should sue Clemson for fraudulent representation in interstate commerce.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Nov 16, 2017 15:37:51 GMT
I do agree that non-P5 teams hope to have an opportunity to compete in the CFP. I can’t imagine any team turning down such a payday. As usual, the rest of your SPECULATION (Hero’s hot button word of the week) is utter nonsense. The CFP has never claimed that the winner is the NCAA FBS champion, and neither of the acronyms “NCAA nor FBS” has ever appeared on the CFP’s mythical national championship trophy. However, the acronyms “NCAA and D-I” are prominent on James Madison’s real NCAA D-I national championship trophy. The NCAA also “nods approval and offers no challenge” to a wide array of bowl games. Just curious though, when have I ever sanctioned anyone or anything? I have made no claim to being a governing body. I simply point out facts and speak the truth. It is not “fact” or “truth” that the CFP Champion is not legitimate. That is simply your opinion. It is an opinion that is not widely shared. Especially not by the people who make t-shirts and hats or write the material on Wikipedia. Don’t get me wrong. The CFP champion is absolutely legitimate, just as is the Bad Boys Mowers Bowl champion. However, despite your protestations, at least for the time being, the CFP champion is not and cannot be an NCAA champion, FBS or otherwise. The test of that will come when and if the CFP claims the winner to be the NCAA FBS national champion, and indicates such on the trophy.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Nov 16, 2017 15:51:15 GMT
It is not “fact” or “truth” that the CFP Champion is not legitimate. That is simply your opinion. It is an opinion that is not widely shared. Especially not by the people who make t-shirts and hats or write the material on Wikipedia. Yep, still waiting on that NCAA lawsuit to hit Clemson for the National Championship T-shirts and hats they sold.
As a purchaser of many of those type items, I guess I should sue Clemson for fraudulent representation in interstate commerce.
Do the shirts say “NCAA National Champion”? If not, they are fine. One enterprising soul printed up shirts that said, “Marshall Football 1999 National Champion”. To this day, no one has been able to prove that 1999 FSU was a better team than 1999 Marshall, or even Marshall’s equal. Nothing wrong with those shirts either. Claiming to be national champion doesn’t make it so. But, claiming to be NCAA national champion is a whole different matter.
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Post by tigercpa on Nov 16, 2017 15:52:28 GMT
It is not “fact” or “truth” that the CFP Champion is not legitimate. That is simply your opinion. It is an opinion that is not widely shared. Especially not by the people who make t-shirts and hats or write the material on Wikipedia. Don’t get me wrong. The CFP champion is absolutely legitimate, just as is the Bad Boys Mowers Bowl champion. However, despite your protestations, at least for the time being, the CFP champion is not and cannot be an NCAA champion, FBS or otherwise. The test of that will come when and if the CFP claims the winner to be the NCAA FBS national champion, and indicates such on the trophy. It's still form over substance.
The winner of the CFP, a governed and sanctioned, bracket-style playoff, are widely recognized (approaching 100%) as legitimate national champions, despite not having 4 certain letters anywhere on the trophy.
That's just the reality of the situation.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Nov 16, 2017 17:36:19 GMT
Don’t get me wrong. The CFP champion is absolutely legitimate, just as is the Bad Boys Mowers Bowl champion. However, despite your protestations, at least for the time being, the CFP champion is not and cannot be an NCAA champion, FBS or otherwise. The test of that will come when and if the CFP claims the winner to be the NCAA FBS national champion, and indicates such on the trophy. It's still form over substance.
The winner of the CFP, a governed and sanctioned, bracket-style playoff, are widely recognized (approaching 100%) as legitimate national champions, despite not having 4 certain letters anywhere on the trophy.
That's just the reality of the situation.
Sanctioned by whom? Champions of what?
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Post by tigercpa on Nov 16, 2017 18:51:57 GMT
It's still form over substance.
The winner of the CFP, a governed and sanctioned, bracket-style playoff, are widely recognized (approaching 100%) as legitimate national champions, despite not having 4 certain letters anywhere on the trophy.
That's just the reality of the situation.
Sanctioned by whom? Champions of what? By the CFP Adminsitration, LLC.
The winner of the CFP is the CFP National Champion.
The CFP Board of Managers and danction and govern the playoff. University presidents or other university representatives from all 10 FBS conferences and Notre Dame have contracted this approach.
ESPN, the FBA, the FW, the NACDA, the NCAA and the NFF (Coll HOF) all are listed on the CFP website.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Nov 16, 2017 19:13:19 GMT
Thank you!
That totally settles it. Bevo is wrong. Hero is wrong. tigercpa is wrong. FHF, as usual, is right.
The winner of the CFP is the CFP national champion. Not the NCAA anything champion. Admittedly fictitious. Any post-season bowl could make the same claim.
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