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Post by Hero on Nov 16, 2017 1:12:57 GMT
You don’t know that. In fact, the evidence suggests otherwise. Every CFP semifinal game has been a blowout, except for Ohio State’s 7-point win over Alabama. Half of the CFP semifinal games have been decided by scoring margins of over 30 points. Actually I do and the entire CFWorld agrees that I am correct. Your so called proof is proof of nothing other than the best teams advance, as they should...Good scoop Sherlock.
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Post by ajbuckeye on Nov 16, 2017 1:56:19 GMT
What a system! According to CBS here are only 5 'MEANINGFUL' games to be played in the final two weeks of the FBS regular season...5 meaningful games out of the 130 FBS games to be played in this period. So only 3.8% of FBS football has meaning as we come down to regular season crunch time ??. That means 96.2% of remaining regular season FBS football is meaningless....and this is the sport often touted to have the most meaningful regular season ? Yeah, 3.8% meaningful. The great meaningfulness of the FBS regular season has to be one of the greatest myths in all of sports. I think that's a bit of a stretch... Wisconsin vs Michigan is meaningful. Alabama vs Auburn is meaningful. Ohio State vs Michigan is meaningful. Georgia vs Georgia Tech is meaningful. Clemson vs South Carolina is meaningful. Wisconsin vs Minnesota is meaningful. Notre Dame vs Navy and Stanford is meaningful. The BIG 10, ACC, SEC and Big 12 championship games are meaningful. In fact, every game being played by a team with a sniff of making the playoffs is meaningful. I think the top 8 or nine may still have a shot so that's 16/18 meaningful games plus the championship games. I realize there are about 130 teams but many games are pretty meaningless at this point of the season simply because most teams have more than 2 losses and when they're not playing not playing a contender - the games, from a playoff perspective, are meaningless. That's just the way it is. I am with Doc 100% on this one. We have a system in place and not much we can do about. If you are not one of the teams that controls their destiny then every potential loss is an opportunity. If you are a team in the 10 to 15 range like USC you still have what I think is a bit more than just a glimmer of hope. They win out then all these games have meaning. Miami vs Pitt and Virginia both are legit upset chances tOSU vs Michigan and Illinois (highly unlikely but PSU and MSU will be watching that one) if tOSU tanks one and wins the Big 10 that is a way in which could certainly help a lot of teams Clemson vs South Carolina Oklahoma vs WVU .... There are a boat load of games that matter. My biggest complaint is that we have 3 of the top 6 teams playing FCS teams this weekend. That should be outlawed.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Nov 16, 2017 2:13:57 GMT
For sake of argument, looking at FBS teams only:
What about the numerous games that will determine whether or not a team is in the running for a conference championship?
What about games that will determine whether a team remains in the picture for a bowl game?
Don’t each of these many games have meaning?
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Post by ajbuckeye on Nov 16, 2017 3:30:04 GMT
For sake of argument, looking at FBS teams only: What about the numerous games that will determine whether or not a team is in the running for a conference championship? What about games that will determine whether a team remains in the picture for a bowl game? Don’t each of these many games have meaning? Using basketball as an analogy. All teams going into the conference tournament week have games that have meaning but in terms of the national championship they are meaningless for the most part. The champions of the Summit league, Ohio Valley... all play for a championship and even though they are invited to the dance they have no chance or winning. They have 0 relevance in the scope when looking at the National Championship contenders. Again looking at Duke and UNC. This should be the biggest game every year but it has almost no relevance to who will win the title as both teams almost always go to the dance. The week in hoops #1 played #2 and no one really cared. Compare that to the OU vs OSU and FSU vs BAMA games. Those games were huge and they were in the first weeks of the season. No look at the games coming down the stretch football. We are loaded with win or die games. Originally I was always for expanding the field but no I am not so sure as it will dilute the regular season.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Nov 16, 2017 3:49:42 GMT
That was a bit tortured.
First, there is no real national championship in FBS. There is a big money playoff for a mythical championship.
But, there is much, much more. Conference championships do have substantial meaning for teams, as do bowl championships.
Your argument that an inclusive playoff dilutes a regular season is disproved by the long history of inclusive playoffs in other NCAA football divisions, as well as inclusive playoffs in other sports.
You are wrong that lower seeded teams don’t have a chance. Lower-seeded teams have frequently advanced in inclusive playoffs, the most notable of which was Jim Valvano’s 1983 D-I NCAA National Champion NC State Wolfpack.
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Post by bluehen on Nov 16, 2017 3:50:36 GMT
The last two weeks of the regular season doesn't include those conference champ games, which of course are meaningful. So that leaves your meaningful list at 8 games compared to CBS's at 5 games. CBS doesn't consider the two ND games as pertinent to the mythical national championship. And like i said, any game featuring a team in the top 8 or 9 of the rankings is meaningful - I highly doubt Oklahoma is going to lose to Kansas or Ohio state to Illinois but to those teams, the games are very meaningful. there are coaches fighting for their jobs - their games are meaningful to them. some may be hoping to get promoted to a higher level job, their games are meaningful. I think it should be a pretty wild 2 weeks! CBS was referring to games that impacted the Invitational Semi-Finals only......3.8% of remaining regular season games....not coaching opportunity games.
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Post by ajbuckeye on Nov 16, 2017 4:33:26 GMT
And like i said, any game featuring a team in the top 8 or 9 of the rankings is meaningful - I highly doubt Oklahoma is going to lose to Kansas or Ohio state to Illinois but to those teams, the games are very meaningful. there are coaches fighting for their jobs - their games are meaningful to them. some may be hoping to get promoted to a higher level job, their games are meaningful. I think it should be a pretty wild 2 weeks! CBS was referring to games that impacted the Invitational Semi-Finals only......3.8% of remaining regular season games....not coaching opportunity games. I don't buy that 3.8 statistic. There are 120 tams in the CFP FBS division that equates to about 120 games over a 2 week period. That being the case you are talking about a grand total of maybe 5 games that matter of the next 2 weeks. The ACC alone will have Miame vs Pitt and UVA the Clemson vs SClight followed by a championship game. Everyone of those games matters and impacts the Inviatational
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Post by Bevo on Nov 16, 2017 6:56:49 GMT
You had zero basis to think that, and no reason to take another gratuitous shot. I have PLENTY of basis to think that. Because I actually READ and try to consider your points. If you DO the same, it's not evident from your responses. If you think stating my opinion about that is a "personal attack", then you've got some pretty thin skin. Getting into "snowflake" territory. Which, is why suggested you yell at the sky, like other Hillary-supporting snowflake have been doing.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Nov 16, 2017 11:58:35 GMT
You don’t know that. In fact, the evidence suggests otherwise. Every CFP semifinal game has been a blowout, except for Ohio State’s 7-point win over Alabama. Half of the CFP semifinal games have been decided by scoring margins of over 30 points. Actually I do and the entire CFWorld agrees that I am correct. Your so called proof is proof of nothing other than the best teams advance, as they should...Good scoop Sherlock. You know that the “entire CFWorld agrees” with you? I envision men with white coats paying you a visit. All it proves is that the better team in each semifinal matchup advanced. The wide scoring margins are unconvincing evidence that the roundly defeated teams were among the best four teams overall. To the contrary, it suggests they likely weren’t.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Nov 16, 2017 12:08:28 GMT
You had zero basis to think that, and no reason to take another gratuitous shot. I have PLENTY of basis to think that. Because I actually READ and try to consider your points. If you DO the same, it's not evident from your responses. If you think stating my opinion about that is a "personal attack", then you've got some pretty thin skin. Getting into "snowflake" territory. Which, is why suggested you yell at the sky, like other Hillary-supporting snowflake have been doing. And, true to form, yet another personal attack. Based on a lie. Both you and Hero have proved incapable of constructing a cogent argument. That is why both of you resort to childish personal attacks and/or name-calling. Sure signs of weakness.
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Post by Bevo on Nov 16, 2017 12:24:38 GMT
I have PLENTY of basis to think that. Because I actually READ and try to consider your points. If you DO the same, it's not evident from your responses. If you think stating my opinion about that is a "personal attack", then you've got some pretty thin skin. Getting into "snowflake" territory. Which, is why suggested you yell at the sky, like other Hillary-supporting snowflake have been doing. And, true to form, yet another personal attack. Based on a lie. Both you and Hero have proved incapable of constructing a cogent argument. That is why both of you resort to childish personal attacks and/or name-calling. Sure signs of weakness. There are no lies. I have merely stated my own opinions. Those are truthful opinions.
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Post by tigercpa on Nov 16, 2017 14:38:23 GMT
Notre Dame is 13-7 against the ACC since its agreement to play 5 league games started in 2014.
Against winning ACC teams, however, just 4-6.
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Post by tigercpa on Nov 16, 2017 15:39:17 GMT
Actually I do and the entire CFWorld agrees that I am correct. Your so called proof is proof of nothing other than the best teams advance, as they should...Good scoop Sherlock. You know that the “entire CFWorld agrees” with you? I envision men with white coats paying you a visit. All it proves is that the better team in each semifinal matchup advanced. The wide scoring margins are unconvincing evidence that the roundly defeated teams were among the best four teams overall. To the contrary, it suggests they likely weren’t. Or maybe they just got bad matchups?
Dabo and the coaches were emphatic about getting tOSU in the semi's instead of Washington last year. Why?
They saw film that indicated tOSU was a slower, more predictable, one-dimensional offense. Playcalling showed no creativity. Venables aggressive defense is more successful against these types of offenses, the pace of play is slower.
Washington played faster, and their passing game would have given Clemson's defense, especially LBs.
And sometimes, you just run into a buzzsaw...I mean Iowa sometimes doesn't score 55 points in basketball...
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Nov 16, 2017 16:06:02 GMT
And, true to form, yet another personal attack. Based on a lie. Both you and Hero have proved incapable of constructing a cogent argument. That is why both of you resort to childish personal attacks and/or name-calling. Sure signs of weakness. There are no lies. I have merely stated my own opinions. Those are truthful opinions. Lol! There is no such animal as a “truthful opinion”. An opinion, once proved to be true, becomes fact. I am astonished that you don’t or can’t understand something so fundamental. You know full well that I detest Hillary and what she stands for, and believe that she and her husband belong behind bars. Yet, you knowingly persist with this lie that I am a Hillary supporter. Desperation. Weakness. All stemming from an inability to compete with me in the arena of ideas.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Nov 16, 2017 16:13:57 GMT
You know that the “entire CFWorld agrees” with you? I envision men with white coats paying you a visit. All it proves is that the better team in each semifinal matchup advanced. The wide scoring margins are unconvincing evidence that the roundly defeated teams were among the best four teams overall. To the contrary, it suggests they likely weren’t. Or maybe they just got bad matchups?
Dabo and the coaches were emphatic about getting tOSU in the semi's instead of Washington last year. Why?
They saw film that indicated tOSU was a slower, more predictable, one-dimensional offense. Playcalling showed no creativity. Venables aggressive defense is more successful against these types of offenses, the pace of play is slower.
Washington played faster, and their passing game would have given Clemson's defense, especially LBs.
And sometimes, you just run into a buzzsaw...I mean Iowa sometimes doesn't score 55 points in basketball...
The winner, by definition, is the better team on the day two teams play. That is how championship playoffs work. It has zero to do with “resumes”, SOS or which team had the best season. The average scoring margin in CFP games is 23.75 points (off the top of my head). The question is whether any team ranked below #4 would have been more competitive in any of the CFP semifinals. The number of huge scoring margins suggests that is a distinct possibility in several of the CFP semifinal games.
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