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Post by jameshowell on Nov 30, 2016 23:26:01 GMT
> ESPN believes there is a big separation between tOSU and everyone else.
The committee chair said there was a HUGE gap between tOSU and PSU.
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Post by jameshowell on Nov 30, 2016 23:30:31 GMT
If PSU had one loss, beat Oklahoma and Michigan and Ohio State only beat Kent and Temple OOC, lost to Pitt and got killed by Michigan, then yes, PSU could be at #2 with tOSU in the championship game. You have to look at the entire body of work; that is what the committee does.
They are backed by the computer ratings which have Ohio State at #2 and PSU at #8.
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Post by Bevo on Nov 30, 2016 23:49:15 GMT
If PSU had one loss, beat Oklahoma and Michigan and Ohio State only beat Kent and Temple OOC, lost to Pitt and got killed by Michigan, then yes, PSU could be at #2 with tOSU in the championship game. You have to look at the entire body of work; that is what the committee does. They are backed by the computer ratings which have Ohio State at #2 and PSU at #8. #2 vs #8?? BEFORE PSU plays another game. THAT is a big enough difference to throw out a Head to Head matchup between two teams? Uh... I don't think so. That statement pretty much sums up what's effed up about this system. It's RARE that committee members have to make borderline judgement between two teams that ACTUALLY PLAYED EACH OTHER during this season. When they have? The Results on the field should be 10X more important than ANY computer ranking. Good grief..... that just makes me ill.
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Post by jameshowell on Nov 30, 2016 23:53:36 GMT
> THAT is a big enough difference to throw out a Head to Head matchup between two teams?
If you are going to use head-head, then Michigan trumps PSU. You have to look at the entire body of work.
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Post by tigercpa on Dec 1, 2016 0:01:57 GMT
As Hen might say. the Clemson’s, Washington’s, and even the overachieving Penn St’s will just never get the "edge" Ohio St enjoys.
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Post by Bevo on Dec 1, 2016 0:08:15 GMT
> THAT is a big enough difference to throw out a Head to Head matchup between two teams? If you are going to use head-head, then Michigan trumps PSU. You have to look at the entire body of work. No... .. they don't Michigan did NOT win the conference... they didn't even come in 2nd place in their division. and, they have the same number of losses yet fewer wins. THAT is the entire body of work
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Post by tigercpa on Dec 1, 2016 0:15:17 GMT
If PSU had one loss, beat Oklahoma and Michigan and Ohio State only beat Kent and Temple OOC, lost to Pitt and got killed by Michigan, then yes, PSU could be at #2 with tOSU in the championship game. You have to look at the entire body of work; that is what the committee does. They are backed by the computer ratings which have Ohio State at #2 and PSU at #8. #2 vs #8?? BEFORE PSU plays another game. THAT is a big enough difference to throw out a Head to Head matchup between two teams? Uh... I don't think so. That statement pretty much sums up what's effed up about this system. It's RARE that committee members have to make borderline judgement between two teams that ACTUALLY PLAYED EACH OTHER during this season. When they have? The Results on the field should be 10X more important than ANY computer ranking. Good grief..... that just makes me ill. Year 3 will teach us a lot about how the cte. works and what they really value.
Conference championships are the committee's first stated criteria, but the committee also reserves the right to pick the four teams it thinks are the best, rather than only picking conference champions. So the previous sentence is basically meaningless.
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Post by Bevo on Dec 1, 2016 2:50:42 GMT
Very true... at this point, we're all still guessing. Hard to wait, but... I fear we must.
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Post by bluehen on Dec 1, 2016 3:50:50 GMT
Got this from a poster at CBS :
The NFL commissioner just announced that if the Baltimore Ravens win the AFC North division its playoff slot will be awarded to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Although the Ravens will own the division title and have defeated the Steelers along the way the commissioner explained that "the Steelers just look better to me "
Thank God this CFP idiocy hasn't spread to any other sports.
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Post by GatorGrad on Dec 1, 2016 4:04:19 GMT
I don't care to get into all of the different scenarios but I stand by my prediction that OSU will be in the playoff. Heck, there's no guarantee that Clemson, Washington, and Penn State will ALL win their CCG. If I were a Buckeye fan I would be making playoff travel plans.
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Post by bluehen on Dec 1, 2016 4:54:29 GMT
I don't care to get into all of the different scenarios but I stand by my prediction that OSU will be in the playoff. Heck, there's no guarantee that Clemson, Washington, and Penn State will ALL win their CCG. If I were a Buckeye fan I would be making playoff travel plans. I think so too. ESPN has a heavy influence on this dumb system, imo, and it certainly wants a Meyer-Saban game and would've loved a Harbaugh-Saban game.
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Post by cjhawkeyes on Dec 1, 2016 6:45:28 GMT
Just my two cents but if you favor a champs only format, I certainly have no issue with Penn State being in and Ohio State being out. But if we treat teams as independents without regard to conference finish, then OSU's resume is easily better than PSU's. I don't get the exaggerated importance placed on HTH. It is just a tiebreaker that rewards teams as much for losing to opponents with different and often worse records as it does for beating opponents with the same record. Furthermore, HTH tiebreakers do not guarantee that all HTH winners place higher. If Michigan beats Iowa to create a three way tie, OSU moves to first in the east and PSU falls to third even though OSU and PSU's results remain unchanged.
Here is how OSU and PSU's resumes break down under my point system
Wisconsin vs Wisconsin = No adv Indiana vs Indiana - No adv Maryland vs Maryland = No adv MSU vs MSU = No adv Rutgers vs Rutgers = No adv Bowling Green vs Kent = OSU +1 Tulsa vs Temple = No adv Neb + NW vs IA + Minn = PSU +1
So even through 9 games.
What's left?
Ohio State is 2-1 vs Michigan, Oklahoma, and Penn State = 10+10+(-2)=18 Penn State is 2-2 vs Ohio State, Purdue, Michigan, and Pitt = 11+3+(-2)+(-4)=8
If A State and B State were 2-1 and 2-2 vs those respective schedules, no one would favor B State. However, 2-2 is suddenly greater than 2-1 vs those schedules if B owns a HTH win over A? I don't think so. It is one game out of 12-13 game season. Just because you beat another team does not mean your season is worth more and that is true even where HTH tiebreakers apply and any two teams share the same record. Here, one team has a better record versus a stronger SOS.
Again, if you value champs over no champs, PSU wins that argument but HTH is a rock, paper, and scissors argument that even in division format takes a back seat to geography. Wisconsin wins the West despite the fact that it would finish fourth in the East. If its okay for Wisconsin to advance to the CCG ahead of two teams with equal or better league records that it lost to, how can OSU advancing to playoffs over PSU with a better record and SOS possibly be worse?
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Post by tigercpa on Dec 1, 2016 12:12:28 GMT
I don't care to get into all of the different scenarios but I stand by my prediction that OSU will be in the playoff. Heck, there's no guarantee that Clemson, Washington, and Penn State will ALL win their CCG. If I were a Buckeye fan I would be making playoff travel plans. Yep. No risk and all the reward.
The only teams that can benefit from CCGs are the ones not playing, while 2 of the teams are risking their entire seasons. If the CCGs don't help the teams that win it, why bother? Should NOT playing in your CCG be seen as a "loss"?
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Post by ajbuckeye on Dec 1, 2016 13:12:16 GMT
True or false: If Penn State and Ohio St were in opposite positions, there’s no way the Nittany Lions would be at #2 with a loss while the Buckeyes were in the championship game. It wouldn’t even be a question. It is not just Ohio State vs Penn St. It is a team that is 3 - 1 vs top 10 against a team that is 1 - 2 against the top 10. It is a 1 loss against a 2 loss team. Would Penn St be number 2 if they had the Buckeyes resume? Maybe but if they were not 2 they would without a doubt be no less than 3.
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Post by bluehen on Dec 1, 2016 13:44:55 GMT
Coach Bill Snyder : "We've sold out to TV"
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