|
Post by doc on Dec 1, 2016 14:16:08 GMT
As Hen might say. the Clemson’s, Washington’s, and even the overachieving Penn St’s will just never get the "edge" Ohio St enjoys. What team (Ohio State, Penn State or Washington) would you rather Clemson play in the semi-final game? My guess would be the team you feel they're most likely to beat. So rank them 1-3....
|
|
|
Post by Bevo on Dec 1, 2016 14:32:50 GMT
I don't get the exaggerated importance placed on HTH. I can explain that.
95% of the time, in FBS football... when pollsters or committee members are trying to make a choice, or ranking between two teams, they are choosing between teams that have NOT played against each other. Usually, they're lucky if the two teams have even played a common opponent. That is why, this industry of Stats & Analysis has been developed over the years. It's great fun.. trying to make statistical choices. But, it's not the core of this sport. The CORE is the game ON THE FIELD. Yes, it's sacrosanct. It MUST matter.... at least a little.
In this screwed up world of unbalanced conference divisions and CCG games? Yea, you can get a case of a 4 loss Division Champ lucking up and winning a CCG. When only 4 teams can be selected for the CFP, I can see how another team that only lost one game, but lost it to the CCG winner might have a strong enough resume to be selected over they team it lost to on the field. But, that difference had better be HUGE! (or, YUGE, if you prefer).
Between Ohio State and Penn State? I don't see that much difference. 1- loss vs 2 loss. Penn State would also have one ADDITIONAL win... and, a conference title, and a head to head win. One is #2 is some computer poll, one in #8? Out of 128 teams? These are NOT huge differences.
Both have been playing very solid football in the last half of the season and could be said to be 'deserving' of a chance to play for the National Title. Well, as deserving as anyone. I don't believe ANYONE is 'deserving'... Bama should be awarded it. That's another story.
But, yea.... play on the field matters. I hope we never lose that.
|
|
|
Post by doc on Dec 1, 2016 14:45:19 GMT
I don't get the exaggerated importance placed on HTH. I can explain that.
95% of the time, in FBS football... when pollsters or committee members are trying to make a choice, or ranking between two teams, they are choosing between teams that have NOT played against each other. Usually, they're lucky if the two teams have even played a common opponent. That is why, this industry of Stats & Analysis has been developed over the years. It's great fun.. trying to make statistical choices. But, it's not the core of this sport. The CORE is the game ON THE FIELD. Yes, it's sacrosanct. It MUST matter.... at least a little.
In this screwed up world of unbalanced conference divisions and CCG games? Yea, you can get a case of a 4 loss Division Champ lucking up and winning a CCG. When only 4 teams can be selected for the CFP, I can see how another team that only lost one game, but lost it to the CCG winner might have a strong enough resume to be selected over they team it lost to on the field. But, that difference had better be HUGE! (or, YUGE, if you prefer).
Between Ohio State and Penn State? I don't see that much difference. 1- loss vs 2 loss. Penn State would also have one ADDITIONAL win... and, a conference title, and a head to head win. One is #2 is some computer poll, one in #8? Out of 128 teams? These are NOT huge differences.
Both have been playing very solid football in the last half of the season and could be said to be 'deserving' of a chance to play for the National Title. Well, as deserving as anyone. I don't believe ANYONE is 'deserving'... Bama should be awarded it. That's another story.
But, yea.... play on the field matters. I hope we never lose that.
So, if the difference between #2 and #8 is not huge, then the difference between #1 and #2 must be miniscule....(and truthfully, I don't believe that it is).
|
|
|
Post by Bevo on Dec 1, 2016 14:46:48 GMT
As Hen might say. the Clemson’s, Washington’s, and even the overachieving Penn St’s will just never get the "edge" Ohio St enjoys. What team (Ohio State, Penn State or Washington) would you rather Clemson play in the semi-final game? My guess would be the team you feel they're most likely to beat. So rank them 1-3.... If I were a Clemson fan (and, I AM this year).... I would want to play Washington first.
Between Ohio State and Penn State? I honestly don't know which I'd rather play. PSU is hitting on all cylinders right now. It's a tossup.
|
|
|
Post by Bevo on Dec 1, 2016 14:48:28 GMT
So, if the difference between #2 and #8 is not huge, then the difference between #1 and #2 must be miniscule....(and truthfully, I don't believe that it is).
If #2 had beaten #1 on the field, I would suggest that the difference in miniscule.
|
|
|
Post by tigercpa on Dec 1, 2016 14:55:07 GMT
As Hen might say. the Clemson’s, Washington’s, and even the overachieving Penn St’s will just never get the "edge" Ohio St enjoys. What team (Ohio State, Penn State or Washington) would you rather Clemson play in the semi-final game? My guess would be the team you feel they're most likely to beat. So rank them 1-3.... Give me the team .full of 5* star recruits. Clemson fan s have been wanting a B10 team Washington s offense would stress us, I think. osu, psu, wash
|
|
|
Post by doc on Dec 1, 2016 14:57:49 GMT
Both defenses are playing well but I think Ohio State's is better. Penn State has a better running back but Barrett is also a threat to run which makes Ohio State a little more diverse to defend. Ohio State defense really only gave up 14 points to Penn State and held them in check most of the night. The killer was a drive at the end of the first half where they scored a TD with under 10 seconds to play. (That and the putrid play of the Buckeyes left offensive tackle, Isaiah Prince who allowed 4 second half sacks.)Penn State took advantage of 3 blocked kicks which created an 11 point swing. Keep in mind this game was at Penn State a week after Ohio State played an overtime road game at Wisconsin. Both games were played in horrible weather conditions and in each instance the home team was coming off a bye so they had 2 weeks to prepare for the Buckeyes. Nevertheless, if you're up 21-7 in the second half - which Ohio State was - you have to make some crucial mistakes to let the other team back in the game which Ohio State did.
But any talk that Penn State battered Ohio State is grossly exaggerated.
|
|
|
Post by tigercpa on Dec 1, 2016 15:00:38 GMT
Pollack asked some of the Bama players who they hoped didn't make it...
Hero knows their answer.
|
|
|
Post by doc on Dec 1, 2016 15:02:36 GMT
What team (Ohio State, Penn State or Washington) would you rather Clemson play in the semi-final game? My guess would be the team you feel they're most likely to beat. So rank them 1-3.... Give me the team .full of 5* star recruits. Clemson fan s have been wanting a B10 team Washington s offense would stress us, I think. osu, psu, wash Sounds to me like you're going the high route - and Barrett and Samuel would stress Clemson in a different way...truthfully, you saw what an athletic team can do to Washington - they don't have the same level of athletes and USC certainly exposed that.
|
|
|
Post by tigercpa on Dec 1, 2016 15:08:50 GMT
What team (Ohio State, Penn State or Washington) would you rather Clemson play in the semi-final game? My guess would be the team you feel they're most likely to beat. So rank them 1-3.... If I were a Clemson fan (and, I AM this year).... I would want to play Washington first.
Between Ohio State and Penn State? I honestly don't know which I'd rather play. PSU is hitting on all cylinders right now. It's a tossup.
I watched mcsorley play thru his HS career, my daughters husband also played with him. that class on,y lost the last game of the season once, and went 55-5. he is coming into his own at PSU. ohioh state seems flat right now, but with UM they can be scary good st any time.
|
|
|
Post by tigercpa on Dec 1, 2016 15:11:32 GMT
Give me the team .full of 5* star recruits. Clemson fan s have been wanting a B10 team Washington s offense would stress us, I think. osu, psu, wash Sounds to me like you're going the high route - and Barrett and Samuel would stress Clemson in a different way...truthfully, you saw what an athletic team can do to Washington - they don't have the same level of athletes and USC certainly exposed that. I don't think any of the three can withstand our defense for the whole game and none could stop our offense alll game either... yep, USCsr smacked them in the mouth...
|
|
|
Post by Bevo on Dec 1, 2016 15:21:47 GMT
But any talk that Penn State battered Ohio State is grossly exaggerated.
Who's been talking about Penn State "battering Ohio State"? Certainly, not me. PSU beat them. On the field. With a little luck.. as you say.. but. Penn State had the athletes to match Ohio State.
Ohio State, to my mind, has had a bit of a Jekyl-Hyde season. They have CRUSHED some really, really bad teams (BG, Rutgers, Maryland).
The CRUSHED a Nebraska team that I think was highly over-rated. That was their most impressive game IMO.
They also beat (not battered) an Oklahoma team that was still reeling from their loss to Houston. OU wasn't playing well to start the season... especially, at QB. They have improved dramatically since then.
But, Ohio State didn't play particularly well at Wisconsin... had to go to OT to pull out a 3 point win. Then LOST at Penn State, and then BARELY beat a pretty bad Northwestern team. In the last two games, OSU SQUEAKED by a putrid Michigan State teams... and, practically lost to Michigan. Both "wins".... neither all that impressive.
We've have much talk around here about the "horrible loss" that PSU had to Pittsburg. Really? PSU lost, on the road... 42-39. That Pitt team ended the year at 8-4, also having a victory AT Clemson. They're not exactly a cup cake.
I hadn't watched Penn State that much this year... I saw them beat OSU. And I watched a lot of their game against Mich State. I was impressed. They handled MSU a LOT easier than Ohio State did. I think, they're a pretty hot team, on a MISSION right now.
|
|
|
Post by doc on Dec 1, 2016 16:04:16 GMT
Funny thing about Michigan State...when Penn State joined the BIG, they made Michigan St/Penn State the end of the year game to try and build a heated rivalry like all the other end of the year games; OSU/TTUN, Indiana/Purdue, Illinois/Northwestern, Minnesota/Wisconsin, Iowa/Nebraska and now the very heated Maryland/Rutgers game. From MSU's standpoint it never really became that game. Their hated rival is TTUN and they also get hyped up whenever they play Ohio State. MSU had a halftime lead at Penn State but after taking OSU to the brink at home the week before they just didn't have any gas left to finish. Strange how these things happen especially when you consider the participants are 18-22 year old boys!
|
|
|
Post by GatorGrad on Dec 1, 2016 16:18:04 GMT
Don't forget, had Iowa missed that late field goal and did not upset Michigan...Ohio State would be the "division champ" playing in the Big Ten Title Game. Would Penn State still deserve to go over Ohio State in that case due to their H2H win? In the NFL, a 12-4 team is still going to be seeded higher than an 11-5 team even if the 11-5 team beat the 12-4 team H2H.
At the end of the day, you have to look at all of the games including OOC play. Penn State may have the better resume if you only counted conference play and ignored 25% of the season. So they rightfully earned a spot in the conference title game. But for the NATIONAL playoff, you have to consider non conference games too which means you have to consider that Ohio State handled Oklahoma while Penn State lost to Pitt.
I have no bias here and honestly don't know or care which team is better or more deserving. It's that close. I just think OSU is going to be in no matter what and I kind of see the logic. If the favorites all win, I think the decision for the 4th spot is going to be between Washington and Penn State.
|
|
|
Post by EvilVodka on Dec 1, 2016 16:31:07 GMT
Got this from a poster at CBS : The NFL commissioner just announced that if the Baltimore Ravens win the AFC North division its playoff slot will be awarded to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Although the Ravens will own the division title and have defeated the Steelers along the way the commissioner explained that "the Steelers just look better to me " Thank God this CFP idiocy hasn't spread to any other sports. ya, that's exactly what we have in college football... Do the Detroit Lions pass the "eye test"?? Idk, Green Bay "looks" better
|
|