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Post by tigercpa on Aug 23, 2017 20:44:34 GMT
0-19 is a fact. The Cartel is comprised of the 65 Presidents of the universities that decided to call themselves "power 5" schools, the 5 conference commissioners of the leagues they decided to call "power 5" conferences and ESPN/ABC ( Disney) which runs the FBS post season and decides to label everything "P5 / G5 " Cartel ( according to Webster ) - An association of businesses that work together to control production and pricing of products. To further understand how the FBS post season works, Hero, google 'revenue distribution in the CFP system '. FBS college football is the ONLY NCAA sport run by a Cartel. I'm here for you, Hero, to help you understand how big time CF really works. Feel free to consult anytime It's not impossible for a non-elite school to win a national championship, it's just that it’s highly improbable...EVEN IF it were a "DNC-approved, diverse, inclusive tournament".
Like it or not, in the modern era of college football winning a national title requires signing mostly 4 and 5 star athletes. Schools outside the Power 5 have come close, but close doesn’t bring home the trophy.
Look at Oregon - a perfect example of how the new playoff system makes it even harder for non-elite schools to win it all. Two years ago they knocked off FSU in round 1 of the playoff, but then lost to Ohio State in the title game. It’s difficult to beat one super power; it’s much more difficult to beat two of them consecutively. If Oregon, Boise State, TCU or a another high G5/lesser P5 team was to win the championship, it’s best shot was during the one-game BCS era.
The notion that something can’t happen because it hasn’t (or couldn’t have because it didn’t) is determinism. "But saying it hasn’t happened over an arbitrary period of my choosing" is not a refutation.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Aug 23, 2017 22:38:28 GMT
You can't get around the fact that the CFP system is rigged against non-P5 schools. With SOS being overemphasized and MOV being prohibited as a factor, it is impossible to evaluate teams as to how they perform relative to their schedules.
A deserving non-P5 team doesn't even have a snowflake's chance in hell of being selected as a CFP challenger.
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Post by Hero on Aug 23, 2017 22:40:06 GMT
0-19 is a fact. The Cartel is comprised of the 65 Presidents of the universities that decided to call themselves "power 5" schools, the 5 conference commissioners of the leagues they decided to call "power 5" conferences and ESPN/ABC ( Disney) which runs the FBS post season and decides to label everything "P5 / G5 " Cartel ( according to Webster ) - An association of businesses that work together to control production and pricing of products. To further understand how the FBS post season works, Hero, google 'revenue distribution in the CFP system '. FBS college football is the ONLY NCAA sport run by a Cartel. I'm here for you, Hero, to help you understand how big time CF really works. Feel free to consult anytime It's not impossible for a non-elite school to win a national championship, it's just that it’s highly improbable...EVEN IF it were a "DNC-approved, diverse, inclusive tournament".
Like it or not, in the modern era of college football winning a national title requires signing mostly 4 and 5 star athletes. Schools outside the Power 5 have come close, but close doesn’t bring home the trophy.
Look at Oregon - a perfect example of how the new playoff system makes it even harder for non-elite schools to win it all. Two years ago they knocked off FSU in round 1 of the playoff, but then lost to Ohio State in the title game. It’s difficult to beat one super power; it’s much more difficult to beat two of them consecutively. If Oregon, Boise State, TCU or a another high G5/lesser P5 team was to win the championship, it’s best shot was during the one-game BCS era.
The notion that something can’t happen because it hasn’t (or couldn’t have because it didn’t) is determinism. "But saying it hasn’t happened over an arbitrary period of my choosing" is not a refutation.
When BYU won the NC they were in the WAC. 1984 Of course, that is impossible...laughing
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Aug 23, 2017 22:56:22 GMT
Except that BYU didn't win the NCAA national championship.
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Post by Hero on Aug 23, 2017 23:49:47 GMT
Except that BYU didn't win the NCAA national championship. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. I love it.
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Post by cjhawkeyes on Aug 24, 2017 0:39:33 GMT
You can't get around the fact that the CFP system is rigged against non-P5 schools. With SOS being overemphasized and MOV being prohibited as a factor, it is impossible to evaluate teams as to how they perform relative to their schedules. A deserving non-P5 team doesn't even have a snowflake's chance in hell of being selected as a CFP challenger. Lack of rules is the problem........not SOS being overemphasized or MOV being ignored.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Aug 24, 2017 0:40:37 GMT
Except that BYU didn't win the NCAA national championship. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. I love it. What does that mean? BYU, like numerous other D-I teams through the years, won the AP and Coaches Polls national championship trophies, but they didn't win an NCAA D-I national championship trophy. NDSU has won several legitimate NCAA D-I championships, and have the trophies to prove it. No one even cares that NDSU has also won several AP and Coaches Polls "national championships", because the NCAA national championship is the real deal, the only possible legitimate championship.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Aug 24, 2017 0:47:21 GMT
You can't get around the fact that the CFP system is rigged against non-P5 schools. With SOS being overemphasized and MOV being prohibited as a factor, it is impossible to evaluate teams as to how they perform relative to their schedules. A deserving non-P5 team doesn't even have a snowflake's chance in hell of being selected as a CFP challenger. Lack of rules is the problem........not SOS being overemphasized or MOV being ignored. The CFP has rules! (I prefer to call them "guidelines). Note that MOV is not listed: "A team's strength of schedule is one of the most pertinent considerations for the committee in making its selections. Other factors that the committee weighs are conference championships, team records, and head-to-head results plus other points such as injuries and weather." en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_Football_Playoff
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Post by cjhawkeyes on Aug 24, 2017 0:50:07 GMT
Lack of rules is the problem........not SOS being overemphasized or MOV being ignored. The CFP has rules! (I prefer to call them "guidelines). Note that SOS is not listed: "A team's strength of schedule is one of the most pertinent considerations for the committee in making its selections. Other factors that the committee weighs are conference championships, team records, and head-to-head results plus other points such as injuries and weather." en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_Football_PlayoffGuidelines that ultimately tell you nothing about what tips the scales in favor of one team to the next. Besides, it cannot get much dumber than considering injuries and weather. That said, G5 teams would be much better off with clearly stated objective rules versus any format where teams are voted in.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Aug 24, 2017 0:52:22 GMT
"The College Football Playoff is not an officially sanctioned championship event by the NCAA, the sport's governing body. Consequently, Division I FBS football is the only NCAA sport in which a yearly national champion is not determined by an NCAA event, nor is an official NCAA national championship awarded." en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_Football_Playoff
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Post by Hero on Aug 24, 2017 0:59:21 GMT
Damned if you do and damned if you don't. I love it. What does that mean? BYU, like numerous other D-I teams through the years, won the AP and Coaches Polls national championship trophies, but they didn't win an NCAA D-I national championship trophy. NDSU has won several legitimate NCAA D-I championships, and have the trophies to prove it. No one even cares that NDSU has also won several AP and Coaches Polls "national championships", because the NCAA national championship is the real deal, the only possible legitimate championship. So a team outside the P5 can win or they can't...Is that about right?
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Aug 24, 2017 1:00:15 GMT
The CFP has rules! (I prefer to call them "guidelines). Note that SOS is not listed: "A team's strength of schedule is one of the most pertinent considerations for the committee in making its selections. Other factors that the committee weighs are conference championships, team records, and head-to-head results plus other points such as injuries and weather." en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_Football_PlayoffGuidelines that ultimately tell you nothing about what tips the scales in favor of one team to the next. Besides, it cannot get much dumber than considering injuries and weather. That said, G5 teams would be much better off with clearly stated objective rules versus any format where teams are voted in. It would matter if the CFP was a sanctioned NCAA event. But, it has no more legitimacy or meaning than any other post-season championship. The winner is the CFP champion. Nothing more. You are arguing, evidently, for computer ratings over voting. Note that the CFP has gone the opposite way - voting only, and no computer ratings. At least the BCS had both.
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Post by tigercpa on Aug 24, 2017 10:37:21 GMT
You can't get around the fact that the CFP system is rigged against non-P5 schools. With SOS being overemphasized and MOV being prohibited as a factor, it is impossible to evaluate teams as to how they perform relative to their schedules. A deserving non-P5 team doesn't even have a snowflake's chance in hell of being selected as a CFP challenger. So a team that beats up cupcakes to get to 13-0 is more deserving?
I think most reasonable people want SOS to be a factor, likewise MOV to be diminished. Separates the steak from the sizzle.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Aug 24, 2017 12:45:22 GMT
What does that mean? BYU, like numerous other D-I teams through the years, won the AP and Coaches Polls national championship trophies, but they didn't win an NCAA D-I national championship trophy. NDSU has won several legitimate NCAA D-I championships, and have the trophies to prove it. No one even cares that NDSU has also won several AP and Coaches Polls "national championships", because the NCAA national championship is the real deal, the only possible legitimate championship. So a team outside the P5 can win or they can't...Is that about right? Can you translate that into English, please?
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Post by bluehen on Aug 24, 2017 12:54:34 GMT
The CFP has rules! (I prefer to call them "guidelines). Note that SOS is not listed: "A team's strength of schedule is one of the most pertinent considerations for the committee in making its selections. Other factors that the committee weighs are conference championships, team records, and head-to-head results plus other points such as injuries and weather." en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_Football_PlayoffGuidelines that ultimately tell you nothing about what tips the scales in favor of one team to the next. Besides, it cannot get much dumber than considering injuries and weather. That said, G5 teams would be much better off with clearly stated objective rules versus any format where teams are voted in. " Injuries and weather " LOL...that is so absurdly comical. What a system....1000000 % mythical. No way around it.
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