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Post by GatorGrad on Aug 27, 2022 3:28:22 GMT
Again, just because something is part of God's ultimate plan, does not mean that the individuals responsible for carrying out sin that leads to the events will not be held accountable. You are wrong that "Christ definitely would not be against all abortion." How would you know if you admit that you do not have the Spirit of Christ in you? You do not have a relationship with Him and do not know the heart of Christ. I personally know women who have been straight up told by doctors to abort their baby otherwise the baby and mother's lives would be at risk. The ones that stepped out in faith and had the baby anyways, trusting in The Lord with the results...everyone including the mother and baby ended up 100% fine. When we put our full faith in God, amazing things can happen. You are dodging the issue. This is when there is no chance for the baby to survive. Abortion is the medically correct and moral procedure. Jesus wouldn’t deny someone this procedure. Your answer is to refuse (or now in many states deny) medical treatment, and instead pray? As for evoking laws to match religion, we do not always do that. Honestly, I don't expect the government of our country to do so because this is not a Godly society. But when we have the opportunity to do right, as mentioned in the verse I quoted above and as we do when deciding whether to vote for individuals who will appoint pro life judges that will ultimately save lives, I very much will choose to do so. This is my point. ‘Christians’ do not always do that. It is selective interpretation and enforcement. And this is not the first time horrible things have been justified by using the Bible. I am not dodging any issue. I have answered your questions and done my best to be respectful every time. You are simply wrong that Jesus Christ would support or enable abortion. You are pretty open that you do not have a relationship with Him so you do not know His heart or what He would do. Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness
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Post by GatorGrad on Aug 27, 2022 3:33:52 GMT
Ok thanks. Amazing. Won't bother you with more questions. Amazing, indeed. God is indeed amazing! It is never too late to humble ourselves, admit that we are awful human beings and sinners, and turn to Jesus for forgiveness...like the thief on the cross just before he died. It would be much better to find The Lord during our short time on this earth, than to spend the rest of eternity wishing that we had.
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Post by bluehen on Aug 27, 2022 4:55:51 GMT
So GG, approximately 85% of all human beings that have ever inhabited our planet have been, are and will be burning in Hell ? Only 31% identify with Christianity and about half of those identify loosely and don't interpret the Bible 1000% literally like you do. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_religious_groups
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Post by aufan on Aug 27, 2022 8:57:12 GMT
You are dodging the issue. This is when there is no chance for the baby to survive. Abortion is the medically correct and moral procedure. Jesus wouldn’t deny someone this procedure. Your answer is to refuse (or now in many states deny) medical treatment, and instead pray? This is my point. ‘Christians’ do not always do that. It is selective interpretation and enforcement. And this is not the first time horrible things have been justified by using the Bible. I am not dodging any issue. I have answered your questions and done my best to be respectful every time. You are simply wrong that Jesus Christ would support or enable abortion. You are pretty open that you do not have a relationship with Him so you do not know His heart or what He would do. Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darknessBevo says I’m offensive. What is offensive is the idea that medical care should be denied because of some interpretation of the Bible. That a fairy tale should be used over modern medicine. And that it should be the law. There are people suffering, needing abortions where the fetus is 100 % not viable. People who say no abortions ever are exactly what that passage is describing: evil masquerading as good.
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Post by aufan on Aug 27, 2022 9:06:56 GMT
Once all the fraudulent votes are tossed out in Georgia, Wisconsin, Michigan, Arizona, and Pennsylvania, Trump will be back in
Libtards quit counting in these states until their truckloads of Biden ballots could arrive
It will all be cleaned up and these states will flip back
Back to this gem and the reason for this Iowa Stare vs. Iowa thread. Looks like Trump is more likely to be in jail than the White House. Obviously due process needs to take place, but over time the defenders of Trump have certainly dwindled. Maybe sanity is returning to people?
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Post by GatorGrad on Aug 27, 2022 13:14:17 GMT
So GG, approximately 85% of all human beings that have ever inhabited our planet have been, are and will be burning in Hell ? Only 31% identify with Christianity and about half of those identify loosely and don't interpret the Bible 1000% literally like you do. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_religious_groupsAgain, I am not God so how can I judge the heart of others? I cannot. Only God can and He will. Thankfully, God does not leave us in the dark - we have His Holy Word, The Bible, which spells it out for us. Also, it should not be shocking that the number of people who choose to be with Christ for eternity is very very small. Jesus himself said this would be the case in Matthew 7. Read very carefully: Matthew 7:13-14 “Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is narrow and the way is constricted that leads to life, and there are few who find it."
Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
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Post by GatorGrad on Aug 27, 2022 13:20:30 GMT
I am not dodging any issue. I have answered your questions and done my best to be respectful every time. You are simply wrong that Jesus Christ would support or enable abortion. You are pretty open that you do not have a relationship with Him so you do not know His heart or what He would do. Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darknessBevo says I’m offensive. What is offensive is the idea that medical care should be denied because of some interpretation of the Bible. That a fairy tale should be used over modern medicine. And that it should be the law. There are people suffering, needing abortions where the fetus is 100 % not viable. People who say no abortions ever are exactly what that passage is describing: evil masquerading as good. You can keep using extreme examples, but the fact is if a true follower of Christ has to choose between two candidates - one who promises to enable and fund more abortions vs one who promises not to, the choice to vote for the candidate who will limit abortions and thus save more baby lives is the correct and easy choice compared to the alternative. You do not see it this way and that's OK. I do not agree with you either and that's OK too.
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Post by bluehen on Aug 27, 2022 13:43:39 GMT
So GG, approximately 85% of all human beings that have ever inhabited our planet have been, are and will be burning in Hell ? Only 31% identify with Christianity and about half of those identify loosely and don't interpret the Bible 1000% literally like you do. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_religious_groupsAgain, I am not God so how can I judge the heart of others? I cannot. Only God can and He will. Thankfully, God does not leave us in the dark - we have His Holy Word, The Bible, which spells it out for us. Also, it should not be shocking that the number of people who choose to be with Christ for eternity is very very small. Jesus himself said this would be the case in Matthew 7. Read very carefully: Matthew 7:13-14 “Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is narrow and the way is constricted that leads to life, and there are few who find it."
Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
GG, Can you make any points or arguments based on anything other than Bible quotes ? The Bible is a popular book but it is NOT a historically accurate history book ( back to the old testament mythology) and it certainly is NOT a science book.
Do you handle poisonous snakes to affirm your beliefs and trust in some deity ? : )
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Post by aufan on Aug 27, 2022 13:54:17 GMT
Bevo says I’m offensive. What is offensive is the idea that medical care should be denied because of some interpretation of the Bible. That a fairy tale should be used over modern medicine. And that it should be the law. There are people suffering, needing abortions where the fetus is 100 % not viable. People who say no abortions ever are exactly what that passage is describing: evil masquerading as good. You can keep using extreme examples, but the fact is if a true follower of Christ has to choose between two candidates - one who promises to enable and fund more abortions vs one who promises not to, the choice to vote for the candidate who will limit abortions and thus save more baby lives is the correct and easy choice compared to the alternative. You do not see it this way and that's OK. I do not agree with you either and that's OK too. And a true follower of Christ would accept that there are exceptions to the ‘no abortions ever’. Jesus accepts that there are legitimate exceptions. Anyone who believes differently has been duped and politically manipulated into being a useful voter, rather than a follower of Christ. Those who argue against any exception to abortion have evil beliefs guised as good, and those beliefs should be ridiculed and criticized as such, especially when they become public policy.
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Post by Bevo on Aug 27, 2022 15:23:00 GMT
You ARE offensive, intentionally so. Which also makes you caustic and destructive to any sense of cohesion on this board.
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Post by aufan on Aug 27, 2022 20:10:16 GMT
You ARE offensive, intentionally so. Which also makes you caustic and destructive to any sense of cohesion on this board. Supporting the denial of health care to people because of an ancient fairy tale is offensive. It is evil. I’m just stating the obvious. My words are only offensive if your belief system can’t stand up to criticism. But we already know that to be the case, don’t we?
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Post by GatorGrad on Aug 27, 2022 20:38:20 GMT
Again, I am not God so how can I judge the heart of others? I cannot. Only God can and He will. Thankfully, God does not leave us in the dark - we have His Holy Word, The Bible, which spells it out for us. Also, it should not be shocking that the number of people who choose to be with Christ for eternity is very very small. Jesus himself said this would be the case in Matthew 7. Read very carefully: Matthew 7:13-14 “Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is narrow and the way is constricted that leads to life, and there are few who find it."
Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
GG, Can you make any points or arguments based on anything other than Bible quotes ? The Bible is a popular book but it is NOT a historically accurate history book ( back to the old testament mythology) and it certainly is NOT a science book.
Do you handle poisonous snakes to affirm your beliefs and trust in some deity ? : )
Why would I need to use anything but The Bible? It is literally The Word Of God. It is absolutely historically accurate. Every prophecy has either already come to pass, or will eventually come to pass. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 All Scripture is God-breathed and beneficial for teaching, for rebuke, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man or woman of God may be fully capable, equipped for every good work.
Galatians 1:11 I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.You asked a question about the low % of people who will choose to spend eternity with God and I gave you quotes from Jesus himself. Literal red letter quotes from the God of the universe. And no, I do not handle snakes. Not sure what you mean by that. I guess you are now poking fun of my faith now, like aufan has? That's OK. God loves you Blue Hen. He wants a relationship with you. If you seek Him, you can find Him. But you have to humble yourself and seek Him with a sincere heart.
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Post by Bevo on Aug 27, 2022 20:52:35 GMT
You ARE offensive, intentionally so. Which also makes you caustic and destructive to any sense of cohesion on this board. Supporting the denial of health care to people because of an ancient fairy tale is offensive. It is evil. I’m just stating the obvious. My words are only offensive if your belief system can’t stand up to criticism. But we already know that to be the case, don’t we? You know nothing, Aufan. You don’t even bother to read other’s opinions. Your sole purpose for living is to insult others and argue against straw men.
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Post by GatorGrad on Aug 27, 2022 20:53:08 GMT
You can keep using extreme examples, but the fact is if a true follower of Christ has to choose between two candidates - one who promises to enable and fund more abortions vs one who promises not to, the choice to vote for the candidate who will limit abortions and thus save more baby lives is the correct and easy choice compared to the alternative. You do not see it this way and that's OK. I do not agree with you either and that's OK too. And a true follower of Christ would accept that there are exceptions to the ‘no abortions ever’. Jesus accepts that there are legitimate exceptions. Anyone who believes differently has been duped and politically manipulated into being a useful voter, rather than a follower of Christ. Those who argue against any exception to abortion have evil beliefs guised as good, and those beliefs should be ridiculed and criticized as such, especially when they become public policy. This is simply not true. You are open that you do not have a relationship with Jesus and thus you do not have His Spirit nor do you know His heart. 1 Corinthians 2:14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.
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Post by aufan on Aug 27, 2022 22:56:54 GMT
And a true follower of Christ would accept that there are exceptions to the ‘no abortions ever’. Jesus accepts that there are legitimate exceptions. Anyone who believes differently has been duped and politically manipulated into being a useful voter, rather than a follower of Christ. Those who argue against any exception to abortion have evil beliefs guised as good, and those beliefs should be ridiculed and criticized as such, especially when they become public policy. This is simply not true. You are open that you do not have a relationship with Jesus and thus you do not have His Spirit nor do you know His heart. 1 Corinthians 2:14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.I’m waiting for the passage that says Jesus would deny medical care to a woman who needs an abortion for a non-viable baby. You can hide behind saying you know Jesus, but there are many examples throughout history of people using the Bible and Jesus to justify evil. This is just another example.
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