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Post by ajbuckeye on Mar 12, 2023 15:38:37 GMT
This has nothing to do with being manipulated but more about educating myself on what the best options are for me in terms of choosing to get the vaccination. Please point me to the link where a 58 year old man who is very healthy and has already had covid should get the jab??? Oh by the way an MMA fighter in Indiana suffered a cardiac arrest tonight. Is this another casualty of the covid vaccine??? I am pretty sure that you don't care. Or could that be another casualty of COVID’s affect on the heart? Or could it be completely unrelated to COVID or the vaccine? Why do you assume it is the vaccine? Because you read about the 2000% increase in heart problems for young people? Which you haven’t provided a source…. You spread bad information without sources, post links to sketchy websites that are intentionally misleading, and seem to assume every heart attack is because of the COVID vaccine. But you aren’t being manipulated…. It’s me who is an asshole for not caring. I should provide you data. All I asked for was a source for your claim, shouldn’t be that hard. You asked for a source I provided and you can take it for what it is worth. I have found many sources specifically in the UK that have reported similar out comes. You call it manipulation, I call it due diligence in my efforts to make an informed decision. Just this past week a 17 year old cheerleader in Raleigh Suffered cardiac arrest. Is it from the repercussions of getting covid? Is it from the repercussions of getting the vaccine? We simply don't know but with out known why all of the sudden we are having an alarming increase in these type of events? Have you once ever questioned it? I did ask for the link for why a 58 year old man should get the jab? I see commercials everyday that it is my obligation to do so. Better yet show me a study on the negative impacts of covid on kids 17 and younger? Then show me why our youth are being forced in many cases to take a jab where we have absolutely no clue of the long term effects?
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Post by aufan on Mar 12, 2023 19:51:16 GMT
Or could that be another casualty of COVID’s affect on the heart? Or could it be completely unrelated to COVID or the vaccine? Why do you assume it is the vaccine? Because you read about the 2000% increase in heart problems for young people? Which you haven’t provided a source…. You spread bad information without sources, post links to sketchy websites that are intentionally misleading, and seem to assume every heart attack is because of the COVID vaccine. But you aren’t being manipulated…. It’s me who is an asshole for not caring. I should provide you data. All I asked for was a source for your claim, shouldn’t be that hard. You asked for a source I provided and you can take it for what it is worth. I have found many sources specifically in the UK that have reported similar out comes. You call it manipulation, I call it due diligence in my efforts to make an informed decision. Just this past week a 17 year old cheerleader in Raleigh Suffered cardiac arrest. Is it from the repercussions of getting covid? Is it from the repercussions of getting the vaccine? We simply don't know but with out known why all of the sudden we are having an alarming increase in these type of events? Have you once ever questioned it? I did ask for the link for why a 58 year old man should get the jab? I see commercials everyday that it is my obligation to do so. Better yet show me a study on the negative impacts of covid on kids 17 and younger? Then show me why our youth are being forced in many cases to take a jab where we have absolutely no clue of the long term effects?
You provided a number and have yet to provide a source for that number. The link you gave doesn't provide any information except number of adverse events. It says nothing about a 2000% increase in heart attacks/issues in those 39 and under.
So you've already believe that there is a 2000% increase, despite not being shown evidence of it, and thus every young person that has a heart attack is another piece of evidence.
Why don't a question it? Because I've not seen the data showing a 2000% increase. And I'm smart enough to understand your link doesn't show it either.
And I'll provide the link that says you should get the jab.... as soon as I make a claim on this forum that you should get the jab. See how that works?
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Post by ajbuckeye on Mar 12, 2023 20:51:05 GMT
You asked for a source I provided and you can take it for what it is worth. I have found many sources specifically in the UK that have reported similar out comes. You call it manipulation, I call it due diligence in my efforts to make an informed decision. Just this past week a 17 year old cheerleader in Raleigh Suffered cardiac arrest. Is it from the repercussions of getting covid? Is it from the repercussions of getting the vaccine? We simply don't know but with out known why all of the sudden we are having an alarming increase in these type of events? Have you once ever questioned it? I did ask for the link for why a 58 year old man should get the jab? I see commercials everyday that it is my obligation to do so. Better yet show me a study on the negative impacts of covid on kids 17 and younger? Then show me why our youth are being forced in many cases to take a jab where we have absolutely no clue of the long term effects?
You provided a number and have yet to provide a source for that number. The link you gave doesn't provide any information except number of adverse events. It says nothing about a 2000% increase in heart attacks/issues in those 39 and under.
So you've already believe that there is a 2000% increase, despite not being shown evidence of it, and thus every young person that has a heart attack is another piece of evidence.
Why don't a question it? Because I've not seen the data showing a 2000% increase. And I'm smart enough to understand your link doesn't show it either.
And I'll provide the link that says you should get the jab.... as soon as I make a claim on this forum that you should get the jab. See how that works?
I see how you conveniently avoided the questions I asked. Are you at all concerned as to why young people are collapsing? Does it make sense to maybe put the mandates on vaccines on hold until we have a better understanding of the long term effects?
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Post by aufan on Mar 12, 2023 21:39:27 GMT
I ask you for a source on a ‘fact’ you posted. You can’t provide it, and instead say I don’t care about children dying.
Thousands of children die every year from heart attacks. I agree it is tragic. But you’ve yet to show how it is related to vaccines.
I’m just asking for a simple source to the ‘fact’ you claimed. You can’t provide it and seem to be getting defensive.
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Post by ajbuckeye on Mar 13, 2023 17:04:35 GMT
I ask you for a source on a ‘fact’ you posted. You can’t provide it, and instead say I don’t care about children dying. The link I provided showed the increase from before and after the covid vaccines which was a 3,250% increase. You called it sketchy so what is the point to provide you anything else as mainstream media has manipulated you not to accept these types of findings. 29,542 deaths and injuries per year following all FDA-approved vaccines 989,405 deaths and injuries per year following EUA COVID-19 vaccines 23 cases of heart disease per year for those under 30 following all FDA-approved vaccines 3611 cases of heart disease per year for those under 30 following EUA COVID-19 vaccines Thousands of children die every year from heart attacks. I agree it is tragic. But you’ve yet to show how it is related to vaccines. I’m just asking for a simple source to the ‘fact’ you claimed. You can’t provide it and seem to be getting defensive. Same way you attack tigerCPA. He questions the election and provides some data to support his claim and you never countered it you just chose not to accept it. Answer this question. There was no fraud in the 2020 Presidential election. True or False? There was fraud in the 2020 Presidential election. True or False? Back to the covid and the origins. All evidence now points to covid 19 coming from a lab? Do you now accept this claim? This weekend a South African Soccer player in the highest league collapses and dies while playing soccer. Was it due to the covid shot? maybe Was it due to effects from previously having covid? maybe Was it not releated to covid? maybe One thing we do know is that myocarditis is one of the side effects of the covid shot. We have significant increases in deaths and heart disease among our youth. Our colleges, professional sports league, and government forced these vaccines on us. Now they even have vaccines for children 6 months to 5 years. If you are under the age of 30 you have virtually no risk of a fatality from covid. Even if you got the vaccine it will not prevent you from getting covid. This being the case why did our government put so much pressure on our youth to get the jab? We still have commercial coming at us every day telling us that we need to get the shot. They are pushing covid boosters every 6 months. Thus far we have no clue what the long term effects will be for those who took the jab. Yet they keep pushing it. If you are elderly and have preconditions then maybe it makes sense and should be a personal choice. The problem is that our youth were given no choices other than take the jab. If they comply then they can exist in society as normal. If they don't comply then they will be excluded from participation in sports and education. This is just flat out wrong and should sicken everyone.
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Post by aufan on Mar 13, 2023 18:23:35 GMT
I ask you for a source on a ‘fact’ you posted. You can’t provide it, and instead say I don’t care about children dying. The link I provided showed the increase from before and after the covid vaccines which was a 3,250% increase. You called it sketchy so what is the point to provide you anything else as mainstream media has manipulated you not to accept these types of findings. 29,542 deaths and injuries per year following all FDA-approved vaccines 989,405 deaths and injuries per year following EUA COVID-19 vaccines 23 cases of heart disease per year for those under 30 following all FDA-approved vaccines 3611 cases of heart disease per year for those under 30 following EUA COVID-19 vaccines I am not doubting the data. I am telling you that you cannot draw any reasonable conclusion unless you include the total number of vaccines administered. If 10x COVID vaccines were given to those under 30 compared to other vaccines, you'd expect 10x the cases of heart disease per year for those who got the COVID Vaccine. It does not mean that COVID vaccines increased heart disease by 10x. You understand this basic concept, right? I am not interjecting any opinion on COVID-19 or the vaccine. This is simply numbers and data that we are talking about right now.
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Post by bluehen on Mar 14, 2023 15:52:26 GMT
curious - who, among us posters, has actually gotten Covid
...and aj, would it be possible that a young, healthy , unvaxed person with no or light symptoms could contract and carry the virus and infect and kill an elderly person ? Don't know, just askin'
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Post by Hero on Mar 14, 2023 20:31:17 GMT
curious - who, among us posters, has actually gotten Covid
...and aj, would it be possible that a young, healthy , unvaxed person with no or light symptoms could contract and carry the virus and infect and kill an elderly person ? Don't know, just askin'
You have nothing to fear if you are confident in your own vaccination.
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Post by ajbuckeye on Mar 14, 2023 20:31:29 GMT
The link I provided showed the increase from before and after the covid vaccines which was a 3,250% increase. You called it sketchy so what is the point to provide you anything else as mainstream media has manipulated you not to accept these types of findings. 29,542 deaths and injuries per year following all FDA-approved vaccines 989,405 deaths and injuries per year following EUA COVID-19 vaccines 23 cases of heart disease per year for those under 30 following all FDA-approved vaccines 3611 cases of heart disease per year for those under 30 following EUA COVID-19 vaccines I am not doubting the data. I am telling you that you cannot draw any reasonable conclusion unless you include the total number of vaccines administered. If 10x COVID vaccines were given to those under 30 compared to other vaccines, you'd expect 10x the cases of heart disease per year for those who got the COVID Vaccine. It does not mean that COVID vaccines increased heart disease by 10x. You understand this basic concept, right? I am not interjecting any opinion on COVID-19 or the vaccine. This is simply numbers and data that we are talking about right now. These are measuring cases over a time period. The time period is one year. During the 1 year period we had an increase of 3,250% deaths and injuries once the COVID Vaccine came on the scene 29,542 deaths and injuries per year following all FDA-approved vaccines 989,405 deaths and injuries per year following EUA COVID-19 vaccines During the 1 year period we had an increase of 15,700% of heart disease once the COVID Vaccine came on the scene 23 cases of heart disease per year for those under 30 following all FDA-approved vaccines 3611 cases of heart disease per year for those under 30 following EUA COVID-19 vaccines Sure I don't have the number of vaccines that were administered but considering there an enormous amount of vaccines given our for things such as measles, mumps, polio, shingles, influenza, hep A, hep B, HPV... common sense would indicate that it is no close to the percentage increases we are seeing after covid. The number of increase cases alone should be enough for anyone to take a pause in what we are doing with these vaccine mandates. Here is another study that shows the excess mortality rate in Australia is on the pass to go up 20 fold since they started their covid mandate www.researchgate.net/publication/368426122_Australian_COVID-19_pandemic_A_Bradford_Hill_analysis_of_iatrogenic_excess_mortalityHere is another story that seems to be common amongst our embalmers who are finding strange blood clots since the vaccine roll outs healthimpactnews.com/2022/funeral-embalmer-85-of-dead-bodies-now-have-strange-blood-clots-since-covid-vaccine-roll-outs/I spent a lot of time researching this because I want to know what is best for me and my family. You want to call it being manipulated well then so be it. I call it doing my due diligence. The last thing that is going to happen to me is being lead over the cliff like sheep on the words that come out of Fauci and our President. We still have commercial coming at us every day telling us that we need to get the shot. They are pushing covid boosters every 6 months. Thus far we have no clue what the long term effects will be for those who took the jab. Yet they keep pushing it. If you are elderly and have preconditions then maybe it makes sense and it should be a personal choice. The problem is that our youth were given no choices other than take the jab. If they comply then they can exist in society as normal. If they don't comply then they will be excluded from participation in sports and education. This is just flat out wrong and should sicken everyone.
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Post by ajbuckeye on Mar 14, 2023 20:56:29 GMT
curious - who, among us posters, has actually gotten Covid
...and aj, would it be possible that a young, healthy , unvaxed person with no or light symptoms could contract and carry the virus and infect and kill an elderly person ? Don't know, just askin'
Yes that would be possible. I would also have the same answer if the person was vaxed. What we know now compared to what we new in early 2020 are 2 very different things. My parents are 86 and 90. I was all for them getting the vaccinations based on there age and health. In the summer of 2021, I seriously considered getting the vax but when I tested positive for antibodies then it swayed my decision to not get it.
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Post by Bevo on Mar 14, 2023 21:07:17 GMT
curious - who, among us posters, has actually gotten Covid
...and aj, would it be possible that a young, healthy , unvaxed person with no or light symptoms could contract and carry the virus and infect and kill an elderly person ? Don't know, just askin'
I got it. 6 months after I had my double dose of Pfizer. Lot of good it did. I think I had it the year before, in May 2020. But there was no testing here then.
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Post by aufan on Mar 14, 2023 21:19:29 GMT
I am not doubting the data. I am telling you that you cannot draw any reasonable conclusion unless you include the total number of vaccines administered. If 10x COVID vaccines were given to those under 30 compared to other vaccines, you'd expect 10x the cases of heart disease per year for those who got the COVID Vaccine. It does not mean that COVID vaccines increased heart disease by 10x. You understand this basic concept, right? I am not interjecting any opinion on COVID-19 or the vaccine. This is simply numbers and data that we are talking about right now. These are measuring cases over a time period. The time period is one year. During the 1 year period we had an increase of 3,250% deaths and injuries once the COVID Vaccine came on the scene 29,542 deaths and injuries per year following all FDA-approved vaccines 989,405 deaths and injuries per year following EUA COVID-19 vaccines During the 1 year period we had an increase of 15,700% of heart disease once the COVID Vaccine came on the scene 23 cases of heart disease per year for those under 30 following all FDA-approved vaccines 3611 cases of heart disease per year for those under 30 following EUA COVID-19 vaccines Sure I don't have the number of vaccines that were administered but considering there an enormous amount of vaccines given our for things such as measles, mumps, polio, shingles, influenza, hep A, hep B, HPV... common sense would indicate that it is no close to the percentage increases we are seeing after covid. The number of increase cases alone should be enough for anyone to take a pause in what we are doing with these vaccine mandates. Here is another study that shows the excess mortality rate in Australia is on the pass to go up 20 fold since they started their covid mandate www.researchgate.net/publication/368426122_Australian_COVID-19_pandemic_A_Bradford_Hill_analysis_of_iatrogenic_excess_mortalityHere is another story that seems to be common amongst our embalmers who are finding strange blood clots since the vaccine roll outs healthimpactnews.com/2022/funeral-embalmer-85-of-dead-bodies-now-have-strange-blood-clots-since-covid-vaccine-roll-outs/I spent a lot of time researching this because I want to know what is best for me and my family. You want to call it being manipulated well then so be it. I call it doing my due diligence. The last thing that is going to happen to me is being lead over the cliff like sheep on the words that come out of Fauci and our President. We still have commercial coming at us every day telling us that we need to get the shot. They are pushing covid boosters every 6 months. Thus far we have no clue what the long term effects will be for those who took the jab. Yet they keep pushing it. If you are elderly and have preconditions then maybe it makes sense and it should be a personal choice. The problem is that our youth were given no choices other than take the jab. If they comply then they can exist in society as normal. If they don't comply then they will be excluded from participation in sports and education. This is just flat out wrong and should sicken everyone.
See you don't understand the data. Each data point is tied to a vaccination. That is what the VAERS is. It is not total number of deaths or injuries of the US population. It is total number of deaths or injuries reported of people after they received the COVID vaccination (or whichever vaccine was queried).
You are reporting it as if it is total number of heart disease in the US population went up 15,700% after COVID vaccine was introduced. This is wrong and a lie.
Based on the prevalence of heart disease, a 157x increase would basically mean every single person in the United States has heart disease now. This is some massive coverup conspiracy if you believe that heart disease has increased 15,700% yet it is only being reported on virus infected websites.
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Post by ajbuckeye on Mar 14, 2023 22:00:27 GMT
These are measuring cases over a time period. The time period is one year. During the 1 year period we had an increase of 3,250% deaths and injuries once the COVID Vaccine came on the scene 29,542 deaths and injuries per year following all FDA-approved vaccines 989,405 deaths and injuries per year following EUA COVID-19 vaccines During the 1 year period we had an increase of 15,700% of heart disease once the COVID Vaccine came on the scene 23 cases of heart disease per year for those under 30 following all FDA-approved vaccines 3611 cases of heart disease per year for those under 30 following EUA COVID-19 vaccines Sure I don't have the number of vaccines that were administered but considering there an enormous amount of vaccines given our for things such as measles, mumps, polio, shingles, influenza, hep A, hep B, HPV... common sense would indicate that it is no close to the percentage increases we are seeing after covid. The number of increase cases alone should be enough for anyone to take a pause in what we are doing with these vaccine mandates. Here is another study that shows the excess mortality rate in Australia is on the pass to go up 20 fold since they started their covid mandate www.researchgate.net/publication/368426122_Australian_COVID-19_pandemic_A_Bradford_Hill_analysis_of_iatrogenic_excess_mortalityHere is another story that seems to be common amongst our embalmers who are finding strange blood clots since the vaccine roll outs healthimpactnews.com/2022/funeral-embalmer-85-of-dead-bodies-now-have-strange-blood-clots-since-covid-vaccine-roll-outs/I spent a lot of time researching this because I want to know what is best for me and my family. You want to call it being manipulated well then so be it. I call it doing my due diligence. The last thing that is going to happen to me is being lead over the cliff like sheep on the words that come out of Fauci and our President. We still have commercial coming at us every day telling us that we need to get the shot. They are pushing covid boosters every 6 months. Thus far we have no clue what the long term effects will be for those who took the jab. Yet they keep pushing it. If you are elderly and have preconditions then maybe it makes sense and it should be a personal choice. The problem is that our youth were given no choices other than take the jab. If they comply then they can exist in society as normal. If they don't comply then they will be excluded from participation in sports and education. This is just flat out wrong and should sicken everyone.
See you don't understand the data. Each data point is tied to a vaccination. That is what the VAERS is. It is not total number of deaths or injuries of the US population. It is total number of deaths or injuries reported of people after they received the COVID vaccination (or whichever vaccine was queried).
You are reporting it as if it is total number of heart disease in the US population went up 15,700% after COVID vaccine was introduced. This is wrong and a lie.
Based on the prevalence of heart disease, a 157x increase would basically mean every single person in the United States has heart disease now. This is some massive coverup conspiracy if you believe that heart disease has increased 15,700% yet it is only being reported on virus infected websites.
I am not reporting as if the total number of heart disease in the US population went up 15,700%. I am reporting the following: There were 23 cases of heart disease per year for those under 30 following all FDA-approved vaccines There were 3611 cases of heart disease per year for those under 30 following EUA COVID-19 vaccines That is it. Make what you want out of it.
We still have commercial coming at us every day telling us that we need to get the shot. They are pushing covid boosters every 6 months. Thus far we have no clue what the long term effects will be for those who took the jab. Yet they keep pushing it. If you are elderly and have preconditions then maybe it makes sense and it should be a personal choice. The problem is that our youth were given no choices other than take the jab. If they comply then they can exist in society as normal. If they don't comply then they will be excluded from participation in sports and education. This is just flat out wrong and should sicken everyone.
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Post by aufan on Mar 14, 2023 22:15:49 GMT
See you don't understand the data. Each data point is tied to a vaccination. That is what the VAERS is. It is not total number of deaths or injuries of the US population. It is total number of deaths or injuries reported of people after they received the COVID vaccination (or whichever vaccine was queried).
You are reporting it as if it is total number of heart disease in the US population went up 15,700% after COVID vaccine was introduced. This is wrong and a lie.
Based on the prevalence of heart disease, a 157x increase would basically mean every single person in the United States has heart disease now. This is some massive coverup conspiracy if you believe that heart disease has increased 15,700% yet it is only being reported on virus infected websites.
I am not reporting as if the total number of heart disease in the US population went up 15,700%. I am reporting the following: There were 23 cases of heart disease per year for those under 30 following all FDA-approved vaccines There were 3611 cases of heart disease per year for those under 30 following EUA COVID-19 vaccines That is it. Make what you want out of it.
We still have commercial coming at us every day telling us that we need to get the shot. They are pushing covid boosters every 6 months. Thus far we have no clue what the long term effects will be for those who took the jab. Yet they keep pushing it. If you are elderly and have preconditions then maybe it makes sense and it should be a personal choice. The problem is that our youth were given no choices other than take the jab. If they comply then they can exist in society as normal. If they don't comply then they will be excluded from participation in sports and education. This is just flat out wrong and should sicken everyone.
Data is not "make what you want of it". You understand that data is meaningless, and certainly does not show that heart attacks have increased like you said earlier in the thread, which prompted my questioning:
"So why is no one talking about why there is a 2000% increase in under the age of 39 having heart attacks, heart problems? "
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Post by ajbuckeye on Mar 15, 2023 17:44:46 GMT
I am not reporting as if the total number of heart disease in the US population went up 15,700%. I am reporting the following: There were 23 cases of heart disease per year for those under 30 following all FDA-approved vaccines There were 3611 cases of heart disease per year for those under 30 following EUA COVID-19 vaccines That is it. Make what you want out of it.
We still have commercial coming at us every day telling us that we need to get the shot. They are pushing covid boosters every 6 months. Thus far we have no clue what the long term effects will be for those who took the jab. Yet they keep pushing it. If you are elderly and have preconditions then maybe it makes sense and it should be a personal choice. The problem is that our youth were given no choices other than take the jab. If they comply then they can exist in society as normal. If they don't comply then they will be excluded from participation in sports and education. This is just flat out wrong and should sicken everyone.
Data is not "make what you want of it". You understand that data is meaningless, and certainly does not show that heart attacks have increased like you said earlier in the thread, which prompted my questioning:
"So why is no one talking about why there is a 2000% increase in under the age of 39 having heart attacks, heart problems? " Before Covid Vaccines were introduced 29,542 deaths and injuries per year following all FDA-approved vaccines After Covid Vaccines were introduced 989,405 deaths and injuries per year following EUA COVID-19 vaccines Before Covid Vaccines were introduced 23 cases of heart disease per year for those under 30 following all FDA-approved vaccines After Covid Vaccines were introduced 3611 cases of heart disease per year for those under 30 following EUA COVID-19 vaccines What is the difference. ADDING THE COVID VACCINE into the equation. If the increase number of cases does not register with you then so be there is nothing else I can say to you. Common sense tells me that maybe we should stop forcing these vaccines on people since we have no clue what the long term effects are. Apparently you are on board with the philosophy of force the jab now and see what the repercussion are later. Better yet let's remove are requirements from anyone under the age of 30 from getting the vaccine. They are not severely impacted by Covid like the elderly and again we have no clue of the long term effects. By the way we just had another one of our military members at age 18 died during training during a two mile run. Third one this year and we are just a couple months in. Typically there may be at most one a year. Considering our active duty is shrinking can you think of anything that has change from now and 4 years ago. As long as we have people like you calling the shots we can expect alot more these events to occur.
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