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Post by aufan on Mar 15, 2023 18:00:49 GMT
To be fair, I tend to agree with your stance of healthy skepticism. The rhetoric behind the vaccine can be scary and even feel like propaganda. Hearing what Biden said about it made me shake my head.
But copying and pasting statistics that you don’t understand, and don’t support your claims, does not help your case. It does just the opposite.
Maybe if you tried to understand what those statistics were saying, we could have a real conversation. But if you start out with saying COVID vaccines increase heart disease by 20 fold in young people, and those numbers are your source, then we will never find common ground.
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Post by Bevo on Mar 16, 2023 1:58:57 GMT
He didn’t start out saying “COVID vaccines increase heart disease by 20 fold in young people”. He started out saying heart disease in the young is up. That’s a fact. He later clarified even more by saying it MIGHT be the vax, or it might be Covid. We really don’t know.
One would THINK science would be trying like hell to figure that out. The answer is important. No one seems all that interested. Albeit, it’s hard now since so many have been vaxxed and had Covid.
Something bad is happening with excess deaths, just about everywhere. We need science we can trust. Sadly, that’s tough to find these days,
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Post by aufan on Mar 16, 2023 10:02:33 GMT
He didn’t start out saying “COVID vaccines increase heart disease by 20 fold in young people”. Please don’t tell me you are defending his non-sense. So why is no one talking about why there is a 2000% increase in under the age of 39 having heart attacks, heart problems?
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Post by Hero on Mar 16, 2023 13:03:58 GMT
He didn’t start out saying “COVID vaccines increase heart disease by 20 fold in young people”. Please don’t tell me you are defending his non-sense. So why is no one talking about why there is a 2000% increase in under the age of 39 having heart attacks, heart problems? www.sacbee.com/news/local/health-and-medicine/article267801482.htmlHeart attacks drastically increasing especially highlighted among younger people is a known fact.
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Post by Bevo on Mar 16, 2023 14:05:17 GMT
He didn’t start out saying “COVID vaccines increase heart disease by 20 fold in young people”. Please don’t tell me you are defending his non-sense. So why is no one talking about why there is a 2000% increase in under the age of 39 having heart attacks, heart problems? I missed it… where are vaccines mentioned in that quote ?
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Post by aufan on Mar 16, 2023 16:43:34 GMT
Please don’t tell me you are defending his non-sense. I missed it… where are vaccines mentioned in that quote ? So why is no one talking about why there is a 2000% increase in under the age of 39 having heart attacks, heart problems? Why would Damar Hamlin not speculate why he collapse considered he is a state of the art athlete? Why is no one talking about the possibilities of the vaccine causing these problems? I did a lot a research and chose not to take the sheep approach when making my decision.
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Post by aufan on Mar 16, 2023 16:54:30 GMT
Not by 2000%, and not specifically because of the vaccine. The do say this: Look I’m all for being conscious of what you put into your body, and being hesitant when big government and big business seemingly agree. But at least start off with facts and not bullshit numbers that are designed to mislead and enrage you. And the 2000% number was bullshit meant to enrage, not designed to engage in meaningful discussion.
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Post by Bevo on Mar 16, 2023 17:33:01 GMT
I missed it… where are vaccines mentioned in that quote ? So why is no one talking about why there is a 2000% increase in under the age of 39 having heart attacks, heart problems? Why would Damar Hamlin not speculate why he collapse considered he is a state of the art athlete? Why is no one talking about the possibilities of the vaccine causing these problems? I did a lot a research and chose not to take the sheep approach when making my decision. Oh. I see. YOU equated “possibility” with “causation”. Not untypical, for you. That’s how you escalate honest discussions before they get a chance to start.
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Post by Hero on Mar 16, 2023 18:01:19 GMT
I don't think it is the Vax but by the same logic it has not been excluded. I can understand both the affinity and scepticism for the shots. Ridiculing either group should be beneath us all.
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Post by aufan on Mar 16, 2023 18:10:55 GMT
Oh. I see. YOU equated “possibility” with “causation”. Not untypical, for you. That’s how you escalate honest discussions before they get a chance to start. If you just want to argue with me, the least you could do is read the thread. He said heart problems, etc increased by 2000%. I asked for a source. He linked a source that directly implicated the COVID vaccine. But the source was non-sense data that didn’t back his claims. The discussion was never honest in the first place. I just asked for a source.
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Post by aufan on Mar 16, 2023 18:19:04 GMT
I don't think it is the Vax but by the same logic it has not been excluded. I can understand both the affinity and scepticism for the shots. Ridiculing either group should be beneath us all. I agree that skepticism is healthy and those shouldn’t be ridiculed for it. I’m not ridiculing a group, I’m ridiculing someone posting false information and propaganda websites. I’ll argue with you all day that those people deserve ridicule.
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Post by ajbuckeye on Mar 16, 2023 20:26:03 GMT
I don't think it is the Vax but by the same logic it has not been excluded. I can understand both the affinity and scepticism for the shots. Ridiculing either group should be beneath us all. I agree that skepticism is healthy and those shouldn’t be ridiculed for it. I’m not ridiculing a group, I’m ridiculing someone posting false information and propaganda websites. I’ll argue with you all day that those people deserve ridicule. Cut and pasted straight from the article. According to this it was 3250% so you are right I was off. I retract my statement of 2000%. By way of contrast, prior to December of 2020 when the COVID-19 vaccines were issued emergency use authorization (EUA), there were a total of 915,813 reports of deaths and injuries following all FDA-approved vaccines for the previous 31 years. (Source [2].) 29,542 deaths and injuries per year following all FDA-approved vaccines 989,405 deaths and injuries per year following EUA COVID-19 vaccines Therefore, following the first complete year of injecting the population with experimental COVID-19 injections that were given emergency use authorization, deaths and injuries have increased 3,250% compared to deaths and injuries reported following all FDA-approved vaccines for the previous 31 years. CDC Admits Under 30 Year-Olds are Developing Heart Disease Following COVID-19 Vaccines The CDC admits that as of January 20, 2022: VAERS has received 2,132 preliminary reports of myocarditis or pericarditis among people ages 30 years and younger who received COVID-19 vaccines. (Source [3].) The CDC calls this number “rare.” They have to say this, because they are funded and controlled by the pharmaceutical companies, and represent their interests, and not the interests of public health. However, if we search VAERS for ALL types of myocarditis and pericarditis, instead of cherry picking only two types of “carditis,” and include all forms of “carditis” for heart disease, the number almost doubles to 3,912 cases. (Source [4].) Using the exact same search for all cases of “carditis,” we find that prior to December, 2020, when the EUAs were issued to the experimental COVID-19 shots, there were a total of 725 cases of heart disease following all FDA-approved vaccines for the previous 31 years for young people under the age of 30. (Source [5].) 23 cases of heart disease per year for those under 30 following all FDA-approved vaccines 3611 cases of heart disease per year for those under 30 following EUA COVID-19 vaccines That is a 15,600% increase of heart disease following COVID-19 EUA vaccines compared to FDA-approved vaccines for the previous 31 years. (Note: We now have 13 months of data on COVID-19 vaccines, so we divided the total number by 13 and then multiplied that number by 12 to derive the yearly number for the COVID-19 vaccine injury and deaths.)
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Post by aufan on Mar 17, 2023 0:41:24 GMT
I agree that skepticism is healthy and those shouldn’t be ridiculed for it. I’m not ridiculing a group, I’m ridiculing someone posting false information and propaganda websites. I’ll argue with you all day that those people deserve ridicule. Cut and pasted straight from the article. According to this it was 3250% so you are right I was off. I retract my statement of 2000%. By way of contrast, prior to December of 2020 when the COVID-19 vaccines were issued emergency use authorization (EUA), there were a total of 915,813 reports of deaths and injuries following all FDA-approved vaccines for the previous 31 years. (Source [2].) 29,542 deaths and injuries per year following all FDA-approved vaccines 989,405 deaths and injuries per year following EUA COVID-19 vaccines Therefore, following the first complete year of injecting the population with experimental COVID-19 injections that were given emergency use authorization, deaths and injuries have increased 3,250% compared to deaths and injuries reported following all FDA-approved vaccines for the previous 31 years. CDC Admits Under 30 Year-Olds are Developing Heart Disease Following COVID-19 Vaccines The CDC admits that as of January 20, 2022: VAERS has received 2,132 preliminary reports of myocarditis or pericarditis among people ages 30 years and younger who received COVID-19 vaccines. (Source [3].) The CDC calls this number “rare.” They have to say this, because they are funded and controlled by the pharmaceutical companies, and represent their interests, and not the interests of public health. However, if we search VAERS for ALL types of myocarditis and pericarditis, instead of cherry picking only two types of “carditis,” and include all forms of “carditis” for heart disease, the number almost doubles to 3,912 cases. (Source [4].) Using the exact same search for all cases of “carditis,” we find that prior to December, 2020, when the EUAs were issued to the experimental COVID-19 shots, there were a total of 725 cases of heart disease following all FDA-approved vaccines for the previous 31 years for young people under the age of 30. (Source [5].) 23 cases of heart disease per year for those under 30 following all FDA-approved vaccines 3611 cases of heart disease per year for those under 30 following EUA COVID-19 vaccines That is a 15,600% increase of heart disease following COVID-19 EUA vaccines compared to FDA-approved vaccines for the previous 31 years. (Note: We now have 13 months of data on COVID-19 vaccines, so we divided the total number by 13 and then multiplied that number by 12 to derive the yearly number for the COVID-19 vaccine injury and deaths.) You understand the article is saying something very different than what you said, right?: So why is no one talking about why there is a 2000% increase in under the age of 39 having heart attacks, heart problems? There is not an increase of 2000%, (or 3250%) in those under 39 having heart attacks, heart problems. Your article does not say that. You do understand this, right?
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Post by aufan on Mar 17, 2023 0:58:30 GMT
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Post by ajbuckeye on Mar 17, 2023 14:53:37 GMT
I did not see the statement in this article about dumb cousin fucking viewers in this article. Where did it come from. I need a source. Impressive about your article. Here is the statement that is she uses attacking Tucker Carlson On 5 May, Fox News host Tucker Carlson delivered a 10-minute monologue casting doubt on the safety of COVID-19 vaccines on his show, Tucker Carlson Tonight. He announced that almost 4000 people had died after getting COVID-19 vaccines, and added that those data "comes from VAERS," Then later in the article they make the following statements were 2 statements that validated his claim The number of deaths reported after a COVID-19 vaccination as of 24 May— 4863Funny thing how you accusing others of propoganda then you throw out a link written by someone who has written for the New York Times, Washington Post, and is a frequent contributer on CNN as legitimate news. If you could only see yourself from a distance maybe you would see what a hypocrite you are.
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