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Post by EvilVodka on Dec 4, 2022 0:28:34 GMT
TCU was undefeated in the Big 12 conference, in round robin play. The next best team, K State, had TWO losses. And yet, somehow… the record books will show K State as the conference Champion. That is just messed up. College football has twisted so much trying to accommodate the playoff format, it is literally FUBAR. So why did the Big XII get a championship game despite playing a round robin format?
Because the committee left them out in 2014. The Big XII didn't have that "13th" data point...
That was also the first year of the 4-team playoff and the committee. We would find out soon afterwards that there are no rules, the committee just makes up whatever they want. That's why this format is a complete joke
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Post by EvilVodka on Dec 4, 2022 0:25:51 GMT
In………. I’m just not sure how the committee could justify putting Alabama in over TCU. TCU has five ranked wins while Alabama’s best win is over a Texas team that they beat on the road……. And TCU beat Texas by 7 while Bama struggled to win by 1. I think if they played 10 times Alabama would beat TCU eight times…… but resume wise there is way to justify that this year…..(nothing personal Bama fans) I also think TCU looked like they had scored on third and goal and the replay refs missed a play they should have received there……. So it was a really tough loss….. to a team they already beat. I think they will be in as well
I think the question will be whether or not TCU will be #3 or #4
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Post by EvilVodka on Dec 3, 2022 13:34:35 GMT
I see a lot of rhetoric that if TCU loses, then Alabama is in
I really don't see this happening...
I think TCU would have to get absolutely blown out by 50 points for a discussion to occur at all, and then I think the committee would end up moving Tennessee ahead of Alabama
Both TCU and Tennessee have better wins than Alabama. Alabama's best wins are Texas and Miss St. It's not like Alabama's resume is stellar this year...
TCU holds a win over Kansas State regardless
For Tennessee, their 1st loss was to the #1 team, and the South Carolina loss doesn't look so bad now. SC has shot up in the polls as well
So back to the original question....how does Alabama jump a team with a better record and better wins? how do they remain ahead of a team that beat them on the field head-to-head?
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Post by EvilVodka on Dec 2, 2022 13:35:13 GMT
How are UFC and Tulane playing for a spot? Hypothetical if they get ranked in the top 12? Or does the top rated G5 conference champ automatically get in? In the new 12 team playoff, the top 6 conference champs get in
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Post by EvilVodka on Nov 28, 2022 13:42:53 GMT
I agree
The Big 10 has been an absolute cakewalk this year...
And just look at Ohio State's opponents' records:
Notre Dame 8-4 Arkansas State 3-9 Toledo 7-5 Wisconsin 6-6 ***fired coach
Rutgers 4-8 @ Michigan St. 5-7 Iowa 7-5 @ Penn State 10-2 @ Northwestern 1-11 Indiana 4-8 @ Maryland 7-5 Michigan 12-0
Its basically a 2-game season. It took Notre Dame a few games to start playing well. Just four road games in that span!
The Big 10 is soft this year...IMO, Michigan doesn't look any better than Kansas State or South Carolina. It will show in the bowls and the playoff...
You and Hero should try to get on with the payroll at ESPN as you have clearly swallowed the kool-ait Here is a look at both power house of their conferences tOSU vs BAMA schedule. Please explain to me where BAMA is any better than tOSU. The only thing to back you claim is that you buy the statement that the BIG is a cakewalk. Just ask Auburn what it is like when you invite a BIG team to your stadium. tOSU BAMA Michigan 12-0 Tennessee 10 - 2@ Penn State 10-2 @lsu 9 - 3Notre Dame 8-4 Texas 8 - 4 @ Maryland 7-5 @ole Miss 8 - 4Iowa 7-5 Miss St 8 - 4Wisconsin 6-6 @arky 6 -6 @ Michigan St. 5-7 Auburn 5 - 7 Rutgers 4-8 TAM 5 - 7 Indiana 4-8 Vandy 5 - 7 @ Northwestern 1-11 Arkansas State 3-9 Utah St 6 -6 Toledo 7-5 ULM 4 - 8 No FCS Teams Austin Peay 7 -4 conference strength changes ever year...
this year, I would argue the Big XII, SEC, and PAC 12 are tops, and the Big 10 and ACC are awful
But by your own example, Alabama has a tougher schedule, playing @tennessee, @texas, @lsu, @ole Miss, and Miss St. That stretch which is primarily on the road is tougher than anything the Big 10 has to offer. Alabama went 3-2 and nearly lost to Texas
You keep citing the Penn State-Auburn game, but Auburn has sucked for two years straight...they fired their head coach
we'll see how the bowls and playoff play out, but don't be surprised if Michigan gets blown out in the playoff and the Big 10 gets mauled in the bowls
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Post by EvilVodka on Nov 28, 2022 13:27:36 GMT
All your observations and opinions Bevo are in the context of the very limited, very opinionated exclusive invitational ESPN/Dr. Pepper championship. Evil and I are referencing a 'playoff' context.....quite different. One puts a premium on being GREAT in the regular season. The other puts a premium on being OK in the regular season. This comes down to how you measure "great"
The GREAT measuring stick for college football has always been the polls. But the polls are always highly flawed, to the point where even undefeated teams have been left out of having a chance to play for the national championship. The BCS and 4 team playoff were created to try and alleviate the problems created by the polls. They screwed the 4 team playoff up by not creating any rules. Instead, they created a committee and ANOTHER poll to determine the top 4 teams. The four team playoff should have ALWAYS been conference champ-only.
The 12 team playoff will focus on conference champs, and that's the way it should have been all along. Teams will actually be able to play their way to a championship.
Seriously, do you really think Georgia losing its conference championship and still making it to the playoff is good for the sport or even makes sense? You're not seeing how this system we have actually undermines the regular season instead of enhancing it.
Do you think its good for the sport when the regular season ends and there is a gigantic record-skip, where a committee in a back room decides who makes the playoff? College Football has the WORST transition to the postseason of any sport.
What's the criteria to make the playoff? no one knows...
What's the rules? don't know
no team truly controls their own fate in this system
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Post by EvilVodka on Nov 28, 2022 0:40:08 GMT
TCU SHOULD be a lock. The committee has shown us in the past that TCU has NO CHANCE, unless they are undefeated. They beat EVERY team in a very competitive Big 12 conference. Now, they have to beat one team twice?? CCG's make no sense at all when you have a CLEAR Champion. We know if Georgia and Michigan lose their conference champ games, they are most likely still in the playoff
Shouldn't the same be said for TCU?
The bias is a joke
The 12 team playoff will solve all of this though
less theater and "eye-tests", and more results based on actually winning a conference and playing on the field
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Post by EvilVodka on Nov 28, 2022 0:33:15 GMT
Playing 9 conference games and OOC they played 2 FBS teams and 1 top 5 P5 team. Seems pretty tough to me. I thought they looked unprepared to face the adversity they faced yesterday. What did you think? I agree
The Big 10 has been an absolute cakewalk this year...
And just look at Ohio State's opponents' records:
Notre Dame 8-4 Arkansas State 3-9 Toledo 7-5 Wisconsin 6-6 ***fired coach
Rutgers 4-8 @ Michigan St. 5-7 Iowa 7-5 @ Penn State 10-2 @ Northwestern 1-11 Indiana 4-8 @ Maryland 7-5 Michigan 12-0
Its basically a 2-game season. It took Notre Dame a few games to start playing well. Just four road games in that span!
The Big 10 is soft this year...IMO, Michigan doesn't look any better than Kansas State or South Carolina. It will show in the bowls and the playoff...
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Post by EvilVodka on Nov 27, 2022 15:33:20 GMT
So, I think one of the outcomes of this weekend will be "why did Tennessee fall so far in the rankings?"...especially after seeing South Carolina led by Spencer Rattler take down another top 10 team
How did Tennessee fall below LSU and Alabama?
I'm guessing the polls will have:
#1 Georgia #6 Alabama #7 Tennessee #11 LSU
Does this make sense? What do the SEC standings have (combining divisions)?
They would be: 1. Georgia 2. Tennessee 3. LSU 4. Alabama
Tennessee has beaten the top two teams in the SEC West, blowing out the SEC West champ on their own field.
So which one is more correct? The poll or the conference standings?
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PS. The SEC would be better off scrapping divisions once Texas and OU arrive. Its obvious by the standings, Georgia and Tennessee are the top 2 best teams in the SEC and the SEC championship should probably be a rematch of Vols-Dawgs.
With the 12 team playoff and assuming the SEC eventually does go divisionless (many good reasons for this), that Aggie loss last night would have totally knocked out LSU from the playoff. Alabama would most likely still get in as an at-large
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Post by EvilVodka on Nov 27, 2022 15:14:25 GMT
I think a win by Kansas St or Utah puts OSU back in. Absent an upset I think they are out. JMO true I think a Utah win is clean cut. USC will have 2 losses
A Kansas State win muddies the waters and we will have TCU vs. Ohio State comparisons. Get ready for a lot of "eye-testing"
Furthermore...if both TCU and USC lose, get ready for insanity
Ohio State will get back in for sure, but then you will have TCU vs. Tennessee vs. Alabama
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Post by EvilVodka on Nov 27, 2022 15:10:15 GMT
With the 4 team playoff, such things like "the eye test" and brand bias have come to dominate the sport
We have a scenario where Michigan and Georgia don't really have to show up for their conference championship games. If TCU were named Texas, they'd be a lock as well
The 12 team playoff will get rid of all this crap and legitimize the sport, making it less of a theatrical circus sideshow
It will put the focus back on winning conference championships. The top 4 conference champs will get byes, meaning LSU, Utah, and Kansas State all have chances to make the playoff by simply WINNING THEIR CONFERENCE
Furthermore, teams like Ohio State, Alabama, and Tennessee would still be able to make the first round of the playoff. They won't be shoved into the playoff simply because of their brand names. They will have to earn it
Virtually every game next Saturday would have meaning. Right now, just two games matter
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Post by EvilVodka on Nov 27, 2022 14:19:16 GMT
I don't think TCU is a lock like Georgia and Michigan. Well, I think the only team that could jump TCU is Ohio State
I think it would also depend on HOW TCU were to lose too...
I think a narrow loss would still put TCU ahead of Ohio State. Ohio State essentially needs a TCU blowout
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Post by EvilVodka on Nov 27, 2022 14:14:02 GMT
Semifinals:
Peach Bowl: #1 Georgia vs. #4 USC Fiesta Bowl: #2 Michigan vs. #3 TCU
Rest of NY6 Bowls:
Orange Bowl: Clemson vs. Alabama Rose Bowl: Ohio State vs. Utah Cotton Bowl: Penn State vs. Tulane
Sugar Bowl: Kansas State vs. Tennessee
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I think all eyes are on the PAC 12 and Big XII championship games, as I think these are the last two games that could change the postseason picture. If Purdue were to upset Michigan, they could play their way into the Rose Bowl
TCU and USC are pumped up and playing well...I tend to think they're going to win their respective games.
If this playoff picture holds true, this could end up being one of the best playoffs we've ever had. 2019 was really good, because you had 3 national championship caliber teams in LSU, Clemson, and Ohio State
I also think QB Williams for USC has emerged as the top Heisman candidate with the Hooker injury
The other bowls aren't bad either. A Rose Bowl rematch with Ohio State and Utah
Another battle between Clemson and Alabama
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Post by EvilVodka on Nov 27, 2022 13:59:35 GMT
What are the Buckeye's chances to still make the playoff?
They need either USC or TCU to lose.
If USC loses, Ohio State is in for sure...no debate. USC gets their second loss and is booted
If TCU loses, then a massive splitting-hairs debate occurs, and its one I'm not sure the Buckeyes will win
Ohio State has two good wins over Notre Dame and Penn State; they have the superior OOC schedule. The rest of the schedule is pretty weak though, and the way the lost to Michigan was ugly.
Comparing with TCU, the Horned Frogs had a much better conference resume where several teams of the Big XII were ranked at some point. Oklahoma State was #8 when TCU beat them.
So, bottomline, I think the Buckeyes need to hope Washington or Utah (or whoever the PAC 12 Championship opponent will be for the Trojans) beats USC
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Post by EvilVodka on Nov 27, 2022 13:40:14 GMT
We know Georgia is at this point...
...but what about Michigan and TCU? They aren't SEC-branded, but do they get the same treatment? Michigan has that name brand, but TCU??
IMO, if you have Georgia and Michigan as locks, then TCU should be a lock as well. TCU will be playing a team they already beat...
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