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Feb 8, 2022 13:16:40 GMT
Post by tigercpa on Feb 8, 2022 13:16:40 GMT
In 1987, his age-40 season, Nolan Ryan led the N.L. in strikeouts, E.R.A., and F.I.P. among other things. He posted a WHIP of 1.14.
Rod Carew (29) Andre Dawson (25) Carlton Fisk (24) George Brett (18) Tim Raines (18) are all Hall of Famers who struck out more against Nolan Ryan than anyone else in their careers.
Nolan Ryan had 198 career non-win quality starts during his career. He was 0-107 with a 2.27 ERA, 1.166 WHIP, and 9.77 K/9 in those starts.
Nolan Ryan made 6 starts for the Astros in May of 1980. They scored 7 total runs for him. He still won two of those games.
From 1973 through 1991 there were 300 games in which a pitcher went 9 or more innings and allowed 2 or fewer hits. Ryan accounted for 26 of them.
From 1968, his first full year in the bigs, through 1993, his final season in the bigs, there were 14 seasons in which a pitcher struck out at least 300 batters. Ryan accounted for 43% of them.
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Feb 8, 2022 14:29:24 GMT
Post by Hero on Feb 8, 2022 14:29:24 GMT
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Feb 8, 2022 15:12:34 GMT
Post by Bevo on Feb 8, 2022 15:12:34 GMT
Nolan Ryan had 198 career non-win quality starts during his career. He was 0-107 with a 2.27 ERA, 1.166 WHIP, and 9.77 K/9 in those starts. Oh come on... are you suggesting that the quality of the team around the pitcher makes a difference? It doesn't... Not at all. Common knowledge. /sarc
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Feb 8, 2022 15:35:27 GMT
Post by Bevo on Feb 8, 2022 15:35:27 GMT
I remember watching the Belmont and he just demolished the field, it was one of the great sports moments of my lifetime. I remember it extremely well too. I have to say, it might have been THE MOST amazing, astonishing thing I ever saw in sports. I was around a bunch of grown men who were all cheering loudly earlier in the race. At the end, they were all stone silent... just staring at the tiny TV with their mouths open. Unsure of what they just saw. It was definitely a "I remember where I was" moment. Watching an injured Kirk Gibson hit a walk-off homer in the 1988 WS was another... and, I wasn't even a Dodger fan. In fact, I hated them. But the drama of that was unforgettable. Right up there with The Invincible Vince Young scrambling for a TD to be the vaunted USC Trojans!
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Feb 9, 2022 0:27:49 GMT
Post by bluehen on Feb 9, 2022 0:27:49 GMT
Nolan Ryan had 198 career non-win quality starts during his career. He was 0-107 with a 2.27 ERA, 1.166 WHIP, and 9.77 K/9 in those starts. Oh come on... are you suggesting that the quality of the team around the pitcher makes a difference? It doesn't... Not at all. Common knowledge. /sarc Can't blame the team for everything. Nolan is Jeckyl and Hyde......brilliantly dominant when fully 'on' and also pretty stinky at other times. I guarantee you that the Washington Senators had worse records than the teams Nolan pitched on but Walter Johnson was still dominant and a top 3 pitcher of all time......same with Steve Carlton with the stinky Phillies.
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Feb 20, 2022 0:35:49 GMT
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Post by Bevo on Feb 20, 2022 0:35:49 GMT
On the last Major League pitch Ryan threw, he tore his UCL. He threw one more practice pitch after the trainer came out to see if he could continue, but he couldn’t and left the game. That pitch came in at 98 mph with a torn UCL!
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Feb 20, 2022 5:14:41 GMT
Post by bluehen on Feb 20, 2022 5:14:41 GMT
If Nolan was a pro golfer on the PGA tour he would lead the entire tour in 'holes in one' by a mile but have the 25th best average course score.
Did you read his book 'Kings Of The Hill' ?
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Feb 21, 2022 1:26:19 GMT
Post by Bevo on Feb 21, 2022 1:26:19 GMT
If Nolan was a pro golfer on the PGA tour he would lead the entire tour in 'holes in one' by a mile but have the 25th best average course score. Did you read his book 'Kings Of The Hill' ? Yes.... it's a great book. Golf is an individual sport. Baseball is most definitely NOT. There is no way to compare them.
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Feb 21, 2022 16:12:12 GMT
Post by bluehen on Feb 21, 2022 16:12:12 GMT
My golf example was for relative performance only...not comparing sports. I'm a Nolan fan but here's one last factoid about the undeniable 'flip side' of the Nolan coin :...and why he's not considered among GOAT candidates.
I checked the top ten all time winning percentages of pitchers at the 4 franchise that Nolan pitched for to see where Nolan ranked. Found this :
Rangers ) his .567 is # 8 among Rangers pitchers
Astros ) Nolan not found in top 10
Mets ) Nolan not found in top 10
Angels ) Nolan not found in top 10
.....winning % only
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Feb 21, 2022 16:33:06 GMT
Post by tigercpa on Feb 21, 2022 16:33:06 GMT
If Nolan was a pro golfer on the PGA tour he would lead the entire tour in 'holes in one' by a mile but have the 25th best average course score. Did you read his book 'Kings Of The Hill' ? Yes.... it's a great book. Golf is an individual sport. Baseball is most definitely NOT. There is no way to compare them. The baseball group on Facebook has been having this debate the last few days. Ryan is overwhelmingly (probably 65/35) thought of as the best pitcher in MLB within that group - over 14,000 responses.
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Feb 21, 2022 18:08:54 GMT
Post by bluehen on Feb 21, 2022 18:08:54 GMT
He was very 'popular.' Baseball fans are very impressed with strikeouts and no-hitters, rightfully so, but maybe not familiar with Nolan's problem side of the coin. Baseball historians and annalists are aware and are also impressed with winning success .
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Feb 21, 2022 20:35:04 GMT
Post by Bevo on Feb 21, 2022 20:35:04 GMT
My golf example was for relative performance only...not comparing sports. I'm a Nolan fan but here's one last factoid about the undeniable 'flip side' of the Nolan coin :...and why he's not considered among GOAT candidates. I checked the top ten all time winning percentages of pitchers at the 4 franchise that Nolan pitched for to see where Nolan ranked. Found this : Rangers ) his .567 is # 8 among Rangers pitchers Astros ) Nolan not found in top 10 Mets ) Nolan not found in top 10 Angels ) Nolan not found in top 10 .....winning % only Oh C'mon Hen... you KNOW that's not a fair way to look at it. I'm not taking the time to check all of them, but I did look at the Angels. Of their Top 10 Win % pitchers, only 2 played with Nolan for ANY of the same years.... Tanana and Messersmith... Number 9 & 10, respectively. All those other guys played in years when the Angels were a pretty decent team. Messersmith only shared ONE year on the same team with Nolan: 1972. That year, Andy was 8-11. Nolan was 19-16. Frank Tanana and Nolan share more years together, but not all the same years. yes.... Tanana had a better win% during the 7 years they both pitched at the Angels. 0.579 to 0.531 BUT, Nolan practically ALWAYS pitched #1 in the rotation, more often matched against the ACE from the other team. Over that period, Nolan pitched many more games.... 252 to 193 Nolan pitched MORE innings per game.... 7.5 to 7.17 And... Nolan WON a HIGHER % of total games started.... 0.472 to 0.471 To me, this stat means more. Nolan pitched deeper into his games and had fewer games where he was not part of the decision. I don't think anyone who watched the Angels from '72 to '79 thought Frank Tanana was their best pitcher.
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Feb 22, 2022 0:35:41 GMT
Post by bluehen on Feb 22, 2022 0:35:41 GMT
Ok, good point for that one instance. I think Posnanski, in his book 'The Baseball 100' pretty well nails Ryan down : "anything a pitcher could do Ryan could do better , But, anything a pitcher could do Ryan could do worse " When bringing his A++ game he was unhitable...but his D games popped up at times.
Career wise he was certainly better than Tanana (.525 to .504 WP and .319 to 3.66 era)...but not in the top ten , all time , among Angels pitchers in winning success rate.
You are the true and proud Nolan fan club president, Bevo !!!
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Feb 22, 2022 0:57:25 GMT
Post by Bevo on Feb 22, 2022 0:57:25 GMT
not in the top ten , all time , among Angels pitchers in winning success rate.
So, you are implying that Tanana was a better pitcher than Nolan Ryan? Because of this ONE stat? I mean, that IS what you're saying Hen. Otherwise, what's the point of bringing up this nonsense? Do you really want to stand by that?
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Feb 22, 2022 12:33:34 GMT
Post by bluehen on Feb 22, 2022 12:33:34 GMT
Bevo, I just pointed out that Ryan was clearly 'better ' than Tannan...career wise. Tanana had a better winning success rate with the Angels..that's all. Facts.
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