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Post by ajbuckeye on Aug 20, 2020 13:42:16 GMT
If you go out to the CDC it clearly indicates the impact on the young is minimal. You are simply providing an opinion of an assumption that it is foolish to assume opening classes will increase the death rates. Not to concrete on your part.
We all have data points that we can point that evolve on a daily bases. Early my family isolated until we got a better understanding of the impact of this virus. Based on the information that I have seen I think it is far more important to get our lives back to the precovid days a quickly as possible. There are many people that have severe financial hardships which is leading to much more drug and alcohol abuse. The primary goal was the flatten the curve which clearly was accomplished. Now we need to protect our elders and the best way I see moving forward is to isolate them as much as we can.
I think it is a very fair assumption to say that getting people back in class rooms with increase infections, and thus deaths. This isn't to say the impact on the young has been less on the old, but just how the virus spreads.
If canceling classes/schools didn't make an impact on infections or deaths, then I guess the wrong move was made early on. Should have kept them open.
I think it is a very fair assumption to say that in regards to the flu, getting people back in class rooms will increase infections and deaths. Would you agree with that?
I assume your answer would be yes and based on your responses your solution is to never send kids back into the classroom ever.
When classes/schools were cancelled in the spring I thought it was the right decision based on the amount of information that we had and what we were being told. Now we have far more information and the effects on young and I think it is the correct decision to get back in the classroom.
At some point you need to weigh your options of the risks of getting back to normalcy and spreading this disease and the risks or continue to isolate which has brought in a whole new set of issues such as job loss, depression, and drug dependency.
I personally have to deal with this looking at it from many situations and age groups.
Elderly - my parents are still alive and live in an assisted living facility where they have had a out break of covid. The pretty much stay in there room as meals are delivered to them. They have a balcony to the outside so I can at least go over to talk with them when I delivery them there drugs and goodies.
Middle Age - I personally am in my 50's and I have been blessed with good health and what I feel is a pretty strong immune system. I exercise quite often which I think is a huge benefit to staying healthy. Clearly I am aware that if I do get it the chances of it taking life are very minimal but could have a long term effects that I am not aware. Based on this I do go back in the office and interface with people. I tend not to were a mask in the office unless it is requested which I ask anyone that I interface with.
I have a daughter that I just dropped off to the University of Cincinnati yesterday. It was a tough day saying goodbye as now the misses and I are officially empty nesters. When making the decision to send her to college it was largely based on the impact of covid on the 0 - 24 which is clearly minimal based on the CDC and many many other reports that I have seen. When you look at this age group from ages 0 - 5 you are much better off getting covid as opposed to most strains of the flu. Anyway back to my daughter. The decision to send her was made because I truly feel the education and experiences that she will get will far outweigh the lost opportunity by keeping her home isolated from others while taking on=line classes. My son just graduated from WVU and when we saw how he grew up into adults in 4 years it made this decision a no brainer.
This is life and we have to live it. Hiding under a rock until this thing goes away may be the way you approach this but let that be your choice and not force it on everyone especially those at the least amount of risk. I feel horrible for these kids and some of the leadership and decision being made seem to have no reasoning or data behind it which certainly has been the case with the leadership in the BIG.
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Post by ajbuckeye on Aug 18, 2020 20:25:39 GMT
Also, the current statistics are from the time period when schools and colleges were closed. It would be foolish to assume that opening schools and having in person classes won’t cause an increase in deaths in the younger population compared to what we’ve seen with them closed. Oh yea..... I can see, very clearly on this chart, the EXTREME RISK that prevents college aged kids from venturing out into the world. good grief.... people have become afraid of their own shadows. Of the 150K+ deaths from covid less than 300 are from ages 0 to 24.
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Post by ajbuckeye on Aug 18, 2020 20:24:02 GMT
Also, the current statistics are from the time period when schools and colleges were closed. It would be foolish to assume that opening schools and having in person classes won’t cause an increase in deaths in the younger population compared to what we’ve seen with them closed. If you go out to the CDC it clearly indicates the impact on the young is minimal. You are simply providing an opinion of an assumption that it is foolish to assume opening classes will increase the death rates. Not to concrete on your part.
We all have data points that we can point that evolve on a daily bases. Early my family isolated until we got a better understanding of the impact of this virus. Based on the information that I have seen I think it is far more important to get our lives back to the precovid days a quickly as possible. There are many people that have severe financial hardships which is leading to much more drug and alcohol abuse. The primary goal was the flatten the curve which clearly was accomplished. Now we need to protect our elders and the best way I see moving forward is to isolate them as much as we can.
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Post by ajbuckeye on Aug 18, 2020 16:02:15 GMT
The problem with the data is that like politics everyone has an agenda behind the numbers. So they can skew based how they are counted. I heard that one person who died in a car crash found out in the autopsy that they had covid and therefore counted it as a covid death. Ohio does provide some pretty good metrics and it is pretty clear based in this data that college kids are at a minimal risk. When you look at the numbers a total of 2 deaths for ages 0 - 19 with well over 3000 deaths reported. I would say this is very compelling evidence to support Bevo's case. coronavirus.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/covid-19/dashboards/key-metrics/mortality
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Post by ajbuckeye on Aug 13, 2020 15:36:42 GMT
I think I have finally made to stage 4 with all of your counseling. Denial and Isolation (check) Anger (check check check) Bargaining (check just today) Depression (in progress) Acceptance (TBD)
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Post by ajbuckeye on Aug 13, 2020 15:34:44 GMT
Thanks for sharing. With all of the craziness in the world have a little perspective goes a long ways.
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Post by ajbuckeye on Aug 13, 2020 15:28:13 GMT
My daughter just got her classes scheduled at UC. Just found out all classes will be on-line. She ended up getting in one of the newer dorms. It has 6 people per room. 2 get there own bedroom and the other 4 will be sharing rooms. Not sure if it used to be a total of 8 or not. The have rooms set aside for covid positive students but like X it is limited. The closer it gets the more concerned I seem to get. The infection fatality rate for her age group is 0.00032% and she is very healthy which makes me breathe a bit easier.
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Post by ajbuckeye on Aug 13, 2020 2:05:29 GMT
Here's the thing... what happens if outbreaks occur throughout the conferences that do decide to play? . Speaking of "perspective", it's important to keep this number in mind: The % of 15-24 year old people who have died from COVID so far. It's 0.0005% That means, 99.9995% haven't. These odds are, literally in line with being hit by lighting. Do we cancel seasons because they play outside and MIGHT get hit by lightning? No. If there are outbreaks, they'll quarantine the sick players, monitor the rest, and keep going. The 'sick' players will almost all be back playing again in 2 weeks. And, yes.. I know the argument. They might infect their parents. So, how many of their parents (adults 35-54) have died? 0.01%. The risks are not zero. But, they really are VERY low. There is no guarantee we EVER have a vaccine that can stop this. At some point, we're going to have to learn to accept these very low risks, and continue living our lives. Treatment is getting better, which is driving these numbers even lower. Many people are starting to come to grips with the numbers and deciding to move forward. Just as many (maybe more, I don't know) are still not willing to accept ANY risk and want to stay holed up. Ok... let them. But, those of us who like to live want to get on doing it. Unfortunately what you are stating is not part of any main stream media report. I have a very good buddy who teaches at Alter HS in Dayton and he has thrown out some statistics very similar to what you have provided and the risk factor for the athletes is very limited. I ceretainly understand Docs position but you need to be consistent. If the student athletes can't participate and all classes are on line then how can you allow the students to live in dorms.
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Post by ajbuckeye on Aug 13, 2020 1:46:32 GMT
I thinking UK as they are the northern most SEC team. Coach Stoops is an Ohio native! :-) If you can spell C-A-T-S, you can be a UK fan! As well as get your degree CATS it is!
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Post by ajbuckeye on Aug 12, 2020 22:24:58 GMT
I reaaly would love to see the SEC, ACC, and B12 make a go of it. I will need to search for some teams to latch on to. WVU in the BIG12 is a given. In ACC maybe North Carolina and Virgina (or anybody who plays Clemson or ND). The SEC is going to be a challenge. With my well known hatred for the conference I am going to need to latch on the one or 2 teams. I thinking UK as they are the northern most SEC team. It is hard to root against coach O and the Ohio Boy that lead the tigers last year. I also have nieces that graduated from USC and Florida. Come on AJ, give BAMA a chance. At this point I would much rather see BAMA win it all as to scrappping the season. That being said rooting for BAMA is not part of my DNA.
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Post by ajbuckeye on Aug 12, 2020 20:07:49 GMT
My daughter is going to UC and she has several of her friends going to OSU as freshmen this upcoming school fall semester. From what I gather from UC, they are certainly doing what they can to try to make this semester work. They have designated rooms and set aside for those that test positive for the covid. This is plan for the moment unless it this spreads like wild fire which certainly is a possibility. In the end you still have 18 year old kids coming in from all over to country to share dorm rooms. My daughter has a suite with 6 people in it and she will be sharing a bedroom. Multiply her situation a thousand times over and that is what UC will be dealing with. We need to get back to normalcy at some point and that is why I am good with sending her at the moment.
Now apply this to Ohio State who will have roughly twice as many on campus students as UC. If they are so concerned about the football season and the covid that they cancel the season, then what they are putting their student students though is either grossly negligent or it does not have the same impact on their political agenda.
I really try to limit political discussions especially on social media formats because it tends to serve no other purpose than to frustrate me. My facebook account is deleted and never use twitter. This decision by the BIG has really turned frustration into anger because I truly believe there is a political agenda behind this decision.
Glad that you get to retire in 16 months. I know I am a bit younger but probably looking at another 10 years. Thanks for the recommendation on the shows as I will need something to fill the void.
I reaaly would love to see the SEC, ACC, and B12 make a go of it. I will need to search for some teams to latch on to. WVU in the BIG12 is a given. In ACC maybe North Carolina and Virgina (or anybody who plays Clemson or ND). The SEC is going to be a challenge. With my well known hatred for the conference I am going to need to latch on the one or 2 teams. I thinking UK as they are the northern most SEC team. It is hard to root against coach O and the Ohio Boy that lead the tigers last year. I also have nieces that graduated from USC and Florida.
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Post by ajbuckeye on Aug 12, 2020 17:51:03 GMT
Not sure about all of you but I simply am just fed up with all what I view as politicking going at many of our major college institutions.
There is simply no reasonable argument that can be made that somehow our college athletes will be more susceptible to catching covid 19 compared to the rest of the student population. These college athletes would get tested every day. They can enforce social distancing on them in every aspect of there lives during this season. All players remain in the same dorm, eat at the same cafeteria, isolate from the student population.... Considering all classes are on-line this would be pretty simple to do. Then when it comes to game time they will be playing against players that would be under a similar protocol.
So now what do they do with the rest of the student body??? They force all on-line classes on virtually if not all students but then they decide to pack them back into the dorms like sardines. If you have concerns about student athletes with all of the safety features that could be put in place then how in the HELL CAN YOU HAVE NO CONCERN FOR THE STUDENT POPULATION?
There a 2 things that I feel are driving this:
Money money money. The universities need to get the almighty dollar and greed is clearly in play over health concerns of the student population. Living on campus generates as much money as tuition does for in state students.
We have this thing call the presidential election coming up. Not sure if many of you are aware but our University faculty\staff\president... tend be very very very liberal. What is the one thing that is mention 3,000,000 times on TV? Trump mishandled the covid or chinese virus. Gee what could these grossly liberal universities do to enhance this view point. Gee let me guess LETS CANCEL THE FOOTBALL SEASON. That will send a message. Regardless of your position on Trump this should frustrate all of us.
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Post by ajbuckeye on Aug 11, 2020 13:22:35 GMT
Nebraska seems committed to playing a season regardless if the BIG shuts down. So what is safer, these athletes being in a controlled environment constantly being tested playing football against other kids in the same situation. Or just cancelling the season and let the athletes just do what college kids which will be a lot of parties and congregating. If the presidents truly feel this way then DON'T LET THE STUDENTS BACK IN THE DORMS. If this pandemic is a concern for the athletes then maybe they should take more of a concern for there students.
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Post by ajbuckeye on Aug 10, 2020 14:53:59 GMT
When you reach 98...go for 2. Only because they could not go for 3.
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Post by ajbuckeye on Aug 6, 2020 15:17:21 GMT
If a tree falls in the forest, does it make any noise? If a man says something in a forest, and no woman hears him, is he still wrong? That second one has me rolling!!! Pretty sure the answer is a resound yes
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